Ground Up 26: Dream Destinations with the Climbing Backpackers

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Nettie & Dave
We're just at Nettie's dad's house. Yeah, we're just outside London, basically. Yeah.

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Robert
Okay, nice.

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Nettie & Dave
The UK.

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Ari Grode
Yeah, i actually just got back from a three-day backpacking trip.

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Robert
Where about?

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Ari Grode
So, you know, I'm used to the early, ah early rises. So

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Robert
Yeah, there you go.

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Nettie & Dave
Where were you?

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Ari Grode
ah it's about three hours west of here and kind of near Aspen. It was, we did a, yeah, still in Colorado.

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Nettie & Dave
still the US. Yeah. like To me, I'm like, it must be Southeast Asia or ridiculously far away.

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Ari Grode
Just a, just a drive. No, no, no, no.

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Robert
Yeah.

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Ari Grode
no it Just a, just a, yeah, just a couple hour drive.

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Nettie & Dave
Three days probably won't be worth it, though.

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Ari Grode
Yeah,

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Nettie & Dave
Backpacking and camping sort of thing or? Nice.

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Ari Grode
yeah. yeah Yeah, I found out the pack was way way too heavy, and yeah, I'm pretty sore.

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Nettie & Dave
Nice.

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Robert
the

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Nettie & Dave
Classic. Let me know that one.

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Robert
did you get you didn't do any climbing did already just long approach to nowhere tough off tough tough but it's how it goes sometimes um but yeah appreciate you guys jumping on uh this is this is gonna be a fun one i think i mean it's i feel like it's uh it's been really cool to watch you guys just sort of

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Ari Grode
But it was fun. No, long approach to nowhere. Yeah.

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Ari Grode
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
Hmm.

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Robert
I don't know, really good job of documenting everywhere you're going. Cause I, as someone who like, I'm a professional videographer and photographer started out in the travel hospitality world.

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Robert
So i'd understand like how difficult it can be to like always pull the camera out and you don't necessarily want to be doing it at all times, but you guys do a super good job job of it.

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Nettie & Dave
Yeah. yeah

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Robert
And it looks like you guys have some pretty rad adventures. So I'm stoked to dive into it all.

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Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Thanks. it's It's been harder since we've been back because the UK just seems like there's nothing to film because it's normal to us.

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Robert
Of course.

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Nettie & Dave
We're used to it oh yeah. Yeah, when we're in Asia, it's just like everything is amazing. So like filming everything. But now that we're home, it's like, I guess it's the same to some people. Like they still want to see, but we're just like, eh, it's just England. Like...

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Nettie & Dave
And in Asia, I feel like people are more happy to be on camera too, where here people are way more reserved. So it's like, yeah yeah you feel awkward filming people, unless you ask their approval first.

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Robert
Sure, sure.

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Ari Grode
Yeah. what

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Robert
Yeah,

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Ari Grode
What part of the UK or what part of England are you from?

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Nettie & Dave
So right now we're near London, and that's where Nettie was born and raised.

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
yeah ah Basically right next to Heathrow. I was born and raised near Gatwick. So for you, it's basically London, but it's nearer Brighton than it is London.

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
So a bit more south.

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Robert
Sure.

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Ari Grode
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
But yeah, basically the same area, like maybe like an hour and a half away from each other. Nothing, nothing compar to what you guys have.

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
so Just use air as the base.

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Ari Grode
And how, yeah, yeah. And how did the two of you meet?

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Nettie & Dave
Tinder.

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Robert
Nice.

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Ari Grode
Tinder. Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
i know

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Robert
Love that.

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Nettie & Dave
Classic.

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Ari Grode
Classic.

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Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

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Robert
Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. And then, so were you guys both climbing like based out of London originally, or was it that kind of waited until a lot of the travel started or you want to dive into a little bit of like how climbing sort of came about?

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Nettie & Dave
So I, e I've been coming for like 16 years and, um, I started by doing tree surgery.

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Robert
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
Um, and then someone, ah I was working with said they would take us climbing one day and then about two years went past and they never took us.

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Robert
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
So I decided to book a course on my own and I went to the local climbing gym and just, just got hooked straight away.

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Robert
Nice.

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
Basically, um, was going like once a week for maybe four months and then to just really

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Robert
no

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Nettie & Dave
Really started going like every day for like a good few years and got really strong. And then i got a finger injury, um went on Tinder, met Nettie and me and Nettie went to a gymnastics class together.

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Nettie & Dave
And then I got Nettie hooked on climbing from there. Yeah, I'd never climbed when I met Dave.

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Robert
Was there a gymnastics background or was that kind of random, but it was like, oh, okay. Body awareness is there.

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Nettie & Dave
completely random right it's random fun fun thing to do like yeah yeah something where we're both like the same level of terribleness at it you know so it can just be didn't really want to i mean if you're if you're quite good at climbing and you you can't like for me when i go to a gym i'm kind of like see you later i'm going to go training and climbing now sort of thing so like it's definitely a better better way to start start yeah

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Robert
Maybe she'll like climbing.

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Robert
Nice.

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Ari Grode
Cool.

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Robert
Yeah.

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Ari Grode
Yeah.

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Robert
Yeah.

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Ari Grode
Yeah.

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Robert
Sure.

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Ari Grode
yeah

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Robert
Nice.

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Ari Grode
Yeah. but Can I ask what is tree surgery? Is that like grafting?

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Nettie & Dave
ah yeah it's it's like uh arborist um so essentially the jobs i would do were tree removal um mainly if it was like damaged trees or something wrong with a tree or someone like doesn't like leaves in their garden but we try and talk about that one um or tree reduction where you're just like the tree's getting too big or it's touching house so you just reduce it in a bit or a lot of hedge trimming and stuff too so like

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Robert
Yeah.

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Ari Grode
yeah Okay. Okay.

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
hedges, which are too big for a gardener. So like you can't reach them from the top of the ladder.

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Ari Grode
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
You have to actually climb for through the hedge. So basically climbing trees.

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Ari Grode
So did

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Robert
Yeah. Nice.

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Ari Grode
yeah I was going to ask, did that like did that factor into... Did it feel kind of natural to pick up something like climbing? like Did you feel like that kind of helped you ah progress quickly?

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Nettie & Dave
Yeah. The first time I went to the climbing center, I i did a six feet.

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Ari Grode
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
So I- Sport rope, right?

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Robert
nice

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Ari Grode
Okay. V...

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Nettie & Dave
Top rope. top Yeah.

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Ari Grode
No top rope. What is that?

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Nettie & Dave
i love thank

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Ari Grode
five Like 5'10", at least, right?

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Nettie & Dave
I've started to get good at this, but only from like 7B.

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Ari Grode
going to guess...

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Nettie & Dave
6B

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Ari Grode
I'm going to guess ten c

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Nettie & Dave
is 10C, yes. Nice.

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Robert
Look at that.

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Nettie & Dave
I have to work it back on like 7B is 512B, 7A pluses, but like it takes me ages, but I am getting there.

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Robert
Proud of you,

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Nettie & Dave
I know some of them off my heart, but most of them.

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Ari Grode
Well, it's it's nothing compared to the, uh, the old UK system that makes kind of no sense.

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Nettie & Dave
The track one? i one

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Ari Grode
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
We're completely out of the loop on that too. I literally have no idea.

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Ari Grode
E9, six Bs, who knows?

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Nettie & Dave
was March 2017, so like eight

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Robert
yeah

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Ari Grode
Okay, cool. And, and, and so how long ago was this? You said, uh, when, when the two of you met and you started climbing netty?

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Nettie & Dave
half years. Yeah. two thousand and seventeen so like eight and a half yes

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Robert
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
yeah

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Robert
And was it immediately like, oh, we like this.

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Ari Grode
And, and,

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Robert
We want to see what the outdoor climbing is like, or were you guys kind of really locked into the gym for a bit? Or, I mean, obviously Dave, you've been climbing a bit longer, so I'm guessing there was some outdoor already at that point, but what did that look like?

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Nettie & Dave
ah you um You've been out on like a lot of outdoor trips already. England's english weird because it's not like there's not that much good rock around.

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Robert
Right.

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Nettie & Dave
um There is some, ah but then you have to factor in the weather too. It's always raining here. Except for sun.

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Robert
And the gear placements, right?

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Nettie & Dave
but we we We don't do trad, we do sport.

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Robert
Okay, fair.

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Nettie & Dave
so So there's a bit of sport around, but not as much as there is trad. um

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Robert
Sure, sure.

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Ari Grode
Yeah. okay Can you talk about that a little bit? Because every time I think of UK climbing, I just think of like pretty scary, ah slick, you know, run out trad climbing.

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Nettie & Dave
yeah

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Robert
Yeah.

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Ari Grode
um You know, obviously there is there is some sport climbing, but like, what's that, what's that scene like?

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Nettie & Dave
You just don't do it.

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Nettie & Dave
We're the south of England.

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
yeah In the south of England, there's many sport and not much trad. All the trads like Sheffield way. ah

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
And like they would but would shoot you if you tried to put a bolt on that stuff. So there is a few really cool sport places up north, but and we've only been there a few times.

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Ari Grode
Yeah. Yeah.

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Robert
Yeah, yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
It's quite far away. It's only like four hours, so nothing for guys. Far away to

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Robert
yeah

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Ari Grode
right. Like how near are you to like Malam, Malam's Cove, Malam Cove, Malam's Cove.

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Nettie & Dave
I think that was like five and a five and a half hours. I mean, everything's actually close because it's England and you can drive from like, you can drive the whole length up to Scotland in like 12 hours or something if you didn't stop.

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
But yeah, for about four hours feels far to worse, especially when you're weekend warriors. Well, I guess it's nothing still compared to longer US drives.

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Ari Grode
Mm-hmm.

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Robert
Yeah, it's just a different culture. You guys just don't drive nearly this as much. So, i mean, that's, i I grew up playing soccer.

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Nettie & Dave
No.

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Robert
So I have a lot of like friends from England that play soccer. they and They're like, yeah, like a two hour drive is like, that's a, that's a daybreaker for sure.

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Nettie & Dave
Hmm.

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Nettie & Dave
yeah but i think it's also worse because of like the roads are small and like there's traffic everywhere so you just really have to concentrate and like driving through small towns and stuff it's not like one long straight road you know it's like really really stressful paying attention driving so so yeah two hours does feel lot further than just were committing as well you can't trust the weather yeah

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Robert
Sure. exactly.

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Robert
Yeah, it makes sense. So where was, yeah fair. Where was, where was like the first crag or two that you guys kind of latched onto in England from like a sport climbing perspective?

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Nettie & Dave
I wouldn't say it was England. So we would like just go to our base and climb, climb on plastic, get strong.

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Robert
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
Then we just go away on trips, places because of like Europe.

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Robert
Oh, nice. So that happened like immediately from the jump. It was like, oh, let's use this to kind of like travel and like explore a bit.

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Nettie & Dave
Yeah, because I was already doing it before I met Nettie.

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Robert
Gotcha.

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Nettie & Dave
Nettie just tagged along basically for a first few trips and then they got really hooked.

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Robert
Nice. Nice.

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Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

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Robert
Where was your first trip, Nettie?

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Nettie & Dave
I had a very lucky start. I went to, I went to Rocklands in South Africa.

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Robert
Oh, wow.

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Nettie & Dave
like three months into my climbing.

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Robert
That's what trip number one day was like, let's lock this up.

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Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

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Robert
This is perfect.

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Nettie & Dave
Literally.

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Robert
Nice.

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Nettie & Dave
i think we like very briefly went to Sardinia and like i I couldn't do anything basically.

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Robert
nice

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Nettie & Dave
Like I couldn't, I don't think I could start anything.

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Robert
It's so polished. It's crazy. I was just climbing there like a year, year and a half ago.

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Nettie & Dave
I don't think that was my excuse.

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Robert
Yeah, it's very polished. It's wild, but it's cool. But it's, it's just different over there for sure.

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Nettie & Dave
I really want to go now that I can actually climb. Like I'd love to go.

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Robert
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
Cause my memory is just, I couldn't do anything. Like i've been climbing for like weeks at this point, My memory is I asked Nettie to clean the anchor. And ah actually, I think I put it through the anchor, but through a carabiner too.

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Robert
Sure.

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Nettie & Dave
And she couldn't get the carabiner undone. So she essentially got herself stuck at the top of route, which is fair since she'd only been climbing for like two weeks. And the carabiner was just stuck. It was like an old, yeah. yeah So I had to haul up the other side of the rope, get to the top, like whack it with another carabiner to get it undone. then we could both come down. But I remember her freaking out. She was like, what are you doing? Why are you coming up?

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Robert
You said this would never happen. What are you doing?

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Nettie & Dave
yeah yeah as in southern area yeah yeah no it was all bouldering in rocklands yeah there is sport there but we haven't done it way too much

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Robert
That's hilarious. ah Yeah.

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Ari Grode
that that was in sardinia or in rocklands yeah okay okay yeah okay i i was pretty sure that was mostly a bouldering area um wow okay okay that's uh

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Robert
ah Okay.

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Very cool. Very cool.

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How long were you guys in Rockland? How long were you in Rockland? Is that like a short trip or was it a, were you there for a month or?

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we were there for five weeks and i wasn't really like ah

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oh wow.

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Whoa.

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Okay.

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proper climber at this point and i was just like in the middle of nowhere with no internet connection with people i didn't know who wouldn't shut up about like climbing and i didn't really understand the lingo or anything like it was fun but it was a proper like culture shock with people that i was supposed to know yeah it was a lot for me it was really fun like i think i did there'll be v grades now i did a 6c plus which is maybe five five

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V5, yeah.

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I

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v five yeah

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But like that was the hardest thing I climbed it.

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It was a high ball. So I think it probably wasn't as like maybe it was a bit easier and they put the grade up for the height or whatever. But yeah, I was, I got hooked really fast. Nelly's got this strange thing where she like, she never gets, she's never been scared of anything.

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She'll do high ball. She'll do like crazy run out sport routes. And like the fear doesn't come in. Like, yeah, it's crazy. I have a problem, but it helps climbing.

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That's probably a good trait for progression.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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I appreciate it for sure. ah let's take it for granted Unless you're in Thailand and someone says they're too high to climb. He was like too stoned to get his quick draws back.

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oh

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yeah yeah that's uh

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So Nettie offered to do it. And then look around and this guy's belaying her. was like, why would you let this really high guy belay you? It's just, yeah, just no fear at all.

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All common sense. I think I'm better now. this was This was a long time ago, but yeah, that was probably it.

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yeah Did he have a Gregory or did he have an ATC?

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I'm pretty sure it was a grigri. I would rather be be led with a grigri.

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Nah, you're good then. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You're fine then. You're fine.

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more More trust in the system than the, uh, or the device than the, uh, the gentleman holding it.

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Yeah.

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that's Yeah, exactly.

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That's hilarious.

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And it's sands.

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He

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No worst case, just fall into the sands. Was it on the beach? Yeah. I even remember what route it was. It was by the ladder somewhere. I remember that. Okay. Okay.

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Okay. So it, it does, it does seem like the travel bug was kind of, uh, it was, it was something that was present from the beginning.

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made it.

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Um,

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Yeah, for sure.

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Cause, cause this was what, just for context, what year did y'all actually, uh, start, you know, full-time travel backpack climbing?

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that 2017? Okay. Yeah. okay

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It's been two years. So we left on the 1st of September, was when we arrived in India for this, like, whatever started this thing, was September 2023. Yeah. So very almost two years.

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Okay.

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okay

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yeah

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So we're talking about a, you know, kind of a okay.

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and very so yes And for context that started because of the start of that year on new year's day, uh, 22 into 23, uh, we're in Thailand and my Achilles tendon broke, um, or rupture.

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yeah

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ah

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Okay.

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So for one, this is why I couldn't be lay netty on the beach and this stone guy be later.

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Okay.

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And two, um, this is why it all started because of, I had to sell my business ah because of, I literally couldn't work for six months because i couldn't walk.

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Sure.

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So I had to sell everything was like, well,

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Yeah.

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we might as well go traveling now it's like

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Amazing.

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Yeah. So but's let's talk about that. so So you were, you were actually, ah go ahead.

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Well, before we... I was just going to say, before we dive into that, I am curious. like After the five weeks in Rocklands, you come back home. like What was the immediate like response, I guess? Was it like, oh, we really...

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like love doing this. Like let's like Nettie, were you kind of hooked in that regard or was it like a, that was cool. Like, I don't know that the next time we're going to do that is.

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I think I was psyched to just keep doing it in different places.

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Okay.

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Like, yeah, we were very much indoor boulderers um that would just get out whenever we could for whether it was sport climbing or bouldering. But no, I'm i'm pretty sure from the very start, I was just like super addicted.

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I went like really all in.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And because I progressed quite fast, I got even more hooked because like i was climbing with with people that were way stronger than me.

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Yep.

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So like I got really good progression and yeah, I was hooked.

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Started learning the lingo. We're like, okay, I can get behind these guys. They're not just saying crazy, crazy stuff.

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Yeah, it's pretty much. Kind what they're talking about now.

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Yeah. Okay. Fair, fair, fair.

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You definitely got homesick in Rocklands, though. In Rocklands, I got homesick. Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It was pretty intense. Five weeks for all that.

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yeah no kidding that's like full deep end experience you know

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You're basically a dirt bagger like right off the bat. That's awesome.

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Yeah. And there's nothing else really there apart from board games and rocks. Like, that's literally all there is. Yeah.

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ah Okay. Yeah, it sounds pretty sick, though.

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Yeah.

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um Okay, I think that makes sense. I just wanted to I was just curious, like what the initial response was. Yeah, let's let's drive back into what you're asking there.

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Yeah. So you said, um you said you had a Achilles injury. So that happened on a trip actually. so, so there was the plan at the time, it sounds like was to kind of just keep doing what you were doing, you know, climbing back in the UK and then, and then going abroad to, you know, sample the scene elsewhere.

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yeah

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It was working quite well because of me and Nettie both had businesses, a surgery, surgery business. Nettie had a dog walking business.

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And yeah, it was it was it was nice.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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But then, For me personally, I felt like we were traveling a lot, a lot of like flights and stuff, which I didn't really agree with too much.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then it was like, well, why don't we just not fly back? Like the most expensive bit is flying. Like if we just stay out there, like there's much better, right?

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Yeah.

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So, so yeah, that's what essentially it decided to do in the end. Yeah, that that initial, that trip to Thailand where he hurt his ankle was like a two, it was a three week trip.

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And we literally landed in Bangkok and then we were going to get another flight to Krabby and then go to Tonsai, which is where we actually wanted to go. But we landed in Bangkok and our friend had just, he lives there.

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He just opened a gym and he was just like, you have to come like check out my gym, blah, blah, blah. We're like, no, we're really jet lagged.

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didn't bring our shoes, didn't bring anything so that we could go look and wouldn't be allowed to climb. um We rented shoes and climbed. He gave our shoes. We didn't rent them. Yeah, but you know.

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Oh.

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forced He forced our shoes onto my boat.

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Oh, no.

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He's going to feel bad.

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh.

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But Dave, like, it wasn't even anything dramatic. He literally had like two undercuts. just pushing with his foot. And as he stepped up, it just sounded like someone smashed the wall with a plank of wood and everyone turned around.

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oh

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Literally that far, like two inches above the ground. Yeah. So anti-traumatic. Yeah, there is CCTV footage and it looks like nothing. It looks like he goes, boop, boop, like just falls off. just Just nothing.

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ah

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But yeah, he was like, just poking the back of his ankle and like, oh, it's gone. I think the but tendon's gone. He wasn't even in pain. Just... right

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Oh,

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um Have you watched Hostel before? Like the story movie?

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Yeah, I have with the, yep. With the snip snip.

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When he cuts the back of a...

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Oh dude.

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I i just i just didn't stand up.

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Oh yeah.

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i was like, I don't want that to happen to me. I'm just going crawl out of here.

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Oh my gosh.

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oh no.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That and like house of wax, I think it was both of them happened there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. That that was always like my biggest fear growing up for whatever reason.

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Yeah, that's all I remember.

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It just looked horrific. Oh, okay.

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Yeah. Well, it's not that painful that everything else happens to you.

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So. ah

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And then you, you stayed in Thailand for the rest the time and I'm assuming you didn't do any climbing, but how long did you end up staying there?

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ah from anyway

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And then you came, came home after that, or was that you just,

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you say We stayed for the three weeks. um our friend Justin then obviously just put us up in his house for like a week whilst because of I just had surgery.

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okay.

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um So I couldn't fly or do anything like that. But then we still decided to go to Tonsai and we we went there and I just relaxed on the beach whilst he got belays from people and yeah, just had a good time really.

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It was super nice and then just went back with our scheduled flight. And yeah, then start to sort out everything like, sell my business already.

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did did the Did the plan to ah you know sell the businesses and and go full time kind of ah materialize in Thailand? Or was this something you didn't kind of chat about till you're back home?

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Um, It was once we were home. it was like March. That's when we really decided to do it. So it was a couple of months later. i mean, Dave had to sell the business anyway.

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Robert
Okay.

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But I definitely, I had two apprentices working for me and they, unfortunately they couldn't drive and they weren't fully qualified.

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Okay.

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and So before I even flew back, i was like, hey guys, like this has happened. Like you might want to start looking for other jobs. Like I don't know how, this is definitely going to be six months of you guys not working. So like,

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Sure.

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don't wait for me, you know, there might not be anything come back for.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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So yeah, it was definitely a sort of plan happening from the outset.

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Okay.

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Ari Grode
So, ah talk us through how that, like, you know, how that plan kind of, or how, how it, uh, what that looked like, what was the, you know, it was the idea was we're just gonna live cheaply, sell everything we've got and go climbing in, in Asia.

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Did you find a book for us or? I read

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Robert
Well, I'm assuming there was a bit of like a ramp-up period too because you probably had to like do a little bit of rehab and PT and things like that like get it going.

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Oh, yeah.

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Sure.

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very

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yeah So you like probably had some time to plan it all out, right?

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And a lot of times lot time to think and plan.

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Yeah. So what was like, okay, start to formulate this plan. What did this shortlist look like? Cause like I, my wife and I backpacked around the world for like five months.

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And so I got known like, okay, you kind of had this idea if it was similar to us where we know we want to go here and here, but we also have like a couple other maybes on the list and I'm sure some other stuff will pop up.

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Nice.

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Robert
And like when you're buying one way tickets, There's like a ah balance of like over planning and then just like letting it kind of go with it.

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So like what did the first, I don't know if it was three months or six months or two weeks, like how did you guys plan out that initial bit and what did those first few stops look like?

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So I found a book online, literally just called how to live on 10 pounds a day. And maybe it was dollars. I think might've been dollars. And it was just this really small PDF book. And i was like, oh, that's interesting. So I read it.

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um Basically just live like bombs is the gist of the book.

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Ari Grode
if

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um But then I was like, Southeast Asia is the easiest place to do this. So I went on ChatGPT and just said, what rock climbing is there in Southeast Asia? um Turns out like loads and stuff that people don't know about.

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Robert
Sure, sure.

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Yeah,

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Yeah.

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And literally, I mean, it must've been within a week from reading that, asking ChatGPT and telling my family I was leaving for a year.

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Robert
yeah.

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and

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Yeah.

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know that There's no reason not to do it. um If we do it on this budget, like we can last for a year and it just sounded

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yep

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really really fun so that there wasn't that much planning initially there was

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butla But I mean, committing to a year right off the bat, like that's definitely like a big master plan for sure. So that's that's pretty cool. So the mission was Southeast Asia right off the bat and like, we'll see what where it takes us.

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yeah yeah if i was going to sell my business too which i've been building up for five years we were going to go for a good chunk of time and then maybe within a year maybe it becomes something maybe it wouldn't and then we come back and figure that out afterwards

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Robert
Yeah, makes sense.

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sir Fair, fair. So what were the first couple of stops in Southeast Asia?

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Ari Grode
Okay.

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Nettie & Dave
We planned, and do you know, there's an app called Workaway.

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Robert
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
Yeah, we it's basically an app where you can look for ah jobs online. Volunteer opportunities.

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00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:57,090
Nettie & Dave
And we got one.

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00:21:57,090 --> 00:22:03,510
Robert
Yeah, there's a bunch, there's a couple of like, i don't know if they're still all around, but when we were traveling, it was help X, Wolfing work away.

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00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:03,610
Nettie & Dave
yeah I think it's similar.

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00:22:03,610 --> 00:22:05,450
Robert
They're all kind of the same. Yep.

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00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:10,040
Nettie & Dave
yeah the The one we found was a work away in India ah working for this place we never heard of ah doing top roping.

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Robert
Okay.

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00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:15,820
Nettie & Dave
Just like putting top ropes up for people and then just belaying people on top ropes.

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Robert
oh Amazing.

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Nettie & Dave
It's a place called Badami.

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00:22:19,810 --> 00:22:21,180
Ari Grode
oh

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00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:34,320
Nettie & Dave
ah we lift We looked it up. we We thought it sounded like a good idea. and We found out that the boats were safe and it was like quite safe. so yeah We just committed to it really. like Real slap in the face, like really jumped in the deep end going to India, you know.

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Robert
Yeah, yeah.

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00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:37,150
Nettie & Dave
So yeah, really set us up for for a fun time and we were a super psyched.

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Robert
Yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
So yeah, it was nice.

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00:22:42,730 --> 00:22:46,380
Ari Grode
and And what was that experience like?

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Nettie & Dave
it was It was good. Like, it was crazy. Like, we found a guy in Mumbai who took us in for the first few nights.

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Robert
ah but

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00:22:57,250 --> 00:23:08,210
Nettie & Dave
He, like, was super nice, like, helped us get SIM cards because you can't get Indian SIM cards there. Helped us sort our cash out. I mean, we probably put too much faith in him, but it all worked out.

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Nettie & Dave
This was planned before we left as well. So I had this guy I found on Couchsurfing. We had the work away set up. So we knew what we were doing for maybe, like, the first month month and a half or whatever before we moved on to the other countries that we wanted to hit up.

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00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:26,060
Nettie & Dave
ah So that took some of the stress out as well. And then we kind of winged it after that. There was so was a bit of planning like for accommodation and stuff, but that was really it.

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00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:29,720
Robert
Yeah.

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00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:40,800
Nettie & Dave
we It was was more Nettie had a map. She made this map and she created like loads of pins of places we would like to go and it was interesting. But we wouldn't know if we'd end up there.

404
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:46,280
Nettie & Dave
But if we did go there, we would know what parts we want to go to sort of thing, which was super interesting.

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00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,210
Robert
Yeah. Like a good place to start.

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Nettie & Dave
But it was super... But it was super open plan too, which I mean was was perfect really because we did so many opportunities that we wouldn't have been able to do if we had to go somewhere else.

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00:23:59,140 --> 00:24:03,080
Nettie & Dave
So it's really, really nice to like be really open plan.

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Ari Grode
Okay. And what did, uh, I want to hear a little bit about what living on 10 pounds a day looks like, like, can you talk us through that a little bit?

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Nettie & Dave
In India, it was and india is like living like a king. You say that, but we weren't.

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Ari Grode
ah

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00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:24,630
Nettie & Dave
ah We could have been living like king. In India, we weren't pay spending £10 a day, let's say that much. I think our average was like £6 a day by the end of it. And we didn't pay for accommodation once.

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00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:26,220
Robert
Wow. Okay.

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00:24:26,220 --> 00:24:32,770
Nettie & Dave
So we we really just weren't spending money. We could have spent money, but we were so psyched because it was a first place and we were like, we're doing £10 a day.

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Robert
Yeah, yeah.

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Nettie & Dave
So we were so under budget in India that it set us up for the rest of the trip. We could have overspent um more than we did. But yeah, we just didn't.

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Robert
Yeah, it's amazing.

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00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,330
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, and...

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00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:47,920
Robert
So you're like primarily spending money on food, I'm guessing at that point, if you had accommodations.

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Nettie & Dave
yeah food accommodation transport is like the main yeah I mean that that really was it the accommodation the accommodation was obviously being paid for by the work away so we wouldn't have to we don't have to worry about that and but we were still being like we could have gone out for dinner every night and spent pennies but like we were still like going to the market and buying fresh food and cooking like

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Robert
Right.

421
00:24:58,190 --> 00:25:08,360
Ari Grode
Mm-hmm.

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00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:14,060
Nettie & Dave
absolutely terrible terrible food like it was good for us but tasted terrible healthy bland food yeah compared to like what we could have been eating it was like like really bland rice and vegetables with some like herbs on top like the indians would have been like really upset with us if they saw orations

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00:25:14,060 --> 00:25:26,750
Robert
Yeah.

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00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:32,910
Robert
And what was the climbing like in in that area of India? you I'm assuming you kind of stayed in one place primarily or was it were you guys bouncing around?

425
00:25:32,910 --> 00:25:34,560
Nettie & Dave
it was all in badani For six weeks, I think we were there.

426
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,140
Robert
Okay.

427
00:25:36,140 --> 00:25:48,040
Nettie & Dave
it was It was quite strange because of maybe 15 years ago, quite a lot of like professional athletes went and set up like the hard routes. So there's everything from to 8B. What is 7B?

428
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:48,440
Nettie & Dave
512B, yeah.

429
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,390
Robert
yep Yeah.

430
00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:54,470
Ari Grode
No, it's like mid 512. Yeah. Okay. Nice. nice

431
00:25:54,470 --> 00:26:06,290
Nettie & Dave
but Even even like the seven b's they sell up they sell them up as their warmups So um they were quite hard for 7B. They weren't easy. and went easy But there wasn't really anything below 7B.

432
00:26:06,290 --> 00:26:09,290
Robert
Of course.

433
00:26:09,290 --> 00:26:21,770
Nettie & Dave
But then the locals um saw that people were coming here to climb. ah So they just started to set up like loads of easy routes. So there's loads of routes from like four to like maybe like six C.

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00:26:21,770 --> 00:26:29,150
Nettie & Dave
There's a few six C's, but not many. Maybe main like We should get Greg's paper out really so that I can just refer back to that as Yeah, I've got it right here You got it up?

435
00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:31,330
Robert
I've got it. That's a 511A. Yeah.

436
00:26:31,330 --> 00:26:32,250
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Okay.

437
00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:32,560
Robert
Yeah.

438
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,030
Nettie & Dave
And then there was no like real midsection grades. Um, it was there, there was like the professionals were voted for good stuff, but well the hard stuff.

439
00:26:37,030 --> 00:26:42,650
Robert
yeah

440
00:26:42,650 --> 00:26:46,410
Nettie & Dave
And then there was that really the easy stuff, which was great for like, you know, setting up top ropes and stuff from the people who were coming.

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00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:49,230
Ari Grode
Mm-hmm.

442
00:26:49,230 --> 00:26:50,800
Nettie & Dave
So the rock is super

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00:26:50,800 --> 00:27:01,730
Robert
Yeah, that is... That's unfortunately... I mean, I think it's changed quite a bit, but I think there is a ah decent history of... climbers go into places, setting up the routes in this sort of not really considering the community aspect or the fact that there are people that are new to climbing, getting involved in this sport and just all of that.

444
00:27:01,730 --> 00:27:09,650
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

445
00:27:09,650 --> 00:27:11,100
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. We've seen that a lot.

446
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:12,390
Robert
So, yeah.

447
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:18,100
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, we've seen that. And especially if there is easy ones, they're just like, well, it's easy, so I'm just going to put four bolts in this 30-meter hole, and then...

448
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:18,290
Robert
Exactly.

449
00:27:18,290 --> 00:27:20,180
Ari Grode
Yeah.

450
00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:22,430
Robert
Yeah, it's always an interesting predicament to find yourself in for sure.

451
00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:24,900
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

452
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:31,730
Robert
um That's cool. But you guys were top rope guides. Was it was there a pretty high demand at the time? Or were you like maybe belaying someone once a week?

453
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:34,610
Nettie & Dave
No.

454
00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:36,540
Robert
Or like, what did that look like?

455
00:27:36,540 --> 00:27:38,920
Nettie & Dave
At the very start, there was basically no one. So we're basically getting out free accommodation for nothing.

456
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,920
Robert
Okay.

457
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,500
Nettie & Dave
and We were doing their social media. it felt quite bad. So we started doing their social media.

458
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,100
Robert
Gotcha.

459
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:45,220
Nettie & Dave
And then people started coming in from neighbouring cities.

460
00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:49,700
Robert
Okay.

461
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:55,660
Nettie & Dave
to to basically meet us and climb with us. it's kind of like, it pretty cool um it's cool.

462
00:27:55,660 --> 00:27:55,870
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

463
00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:56,020
Nettie & Dave
It took some time to get going, but then we're like- page really small at the time as well.

464
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:59,860
Robert
Sure.

465
00:27:59,860 --> 00:28:05,350
Nettie & Dave
It was strange. I think like they just saw that we were posting things from somewhere that was like they could get to.

466
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:05,420
Robert
sure

467
00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:16,110
Nettie & Dave
So people would come just through that. So it was really nice. We met some really cool people, but we there wasn't high demand. ah We must've done two sessions a week max. Yeah. um Yeah.

468
00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:16,490
Nettie & Dave
But also like, I think,

469
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:18,120
Ari Grode
And this is.

470
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:29,430
Nettie & Dave
Most of the major cities were starting to just build their first like climbing gyms. So like people were psyched, people like super psyched and just wanting to get outside and touch the real rock for the first time sort of thing.

471
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:30,450
Nettie & Dave
So yeah, super fun.

472
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:34,280
Ari Grode
And these these are mainly locals. or

473
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,090
Nettie & Dave
Mainly locals.

474
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:35,980
Ari Grode
Or local local ish.

475
00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:39,410
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, local like an eight hour drive away local.

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00:28:39,410 --> 00:28:39,490
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

477
00:28:39,490 --> 00:28:40,370
Ari Grode
OK.

478
00:28:40,370 --> 00:29:00,440
Nettie & Dave
What was the city? I can't. There was a city. I feel bad that I forgot what one it is. It was close to it though, but people would, like there was one guy that did a whole week, ended his work late Friday night, drove overnight, eight hours to get there, climbed with us for two days and then just drove back and went straight back to work. I was like, it's crazy.

479
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:00,680
Robert
commitment right there.

480
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:00,770
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

481
00:29:00,770 --> 00:29:01,060
Ari Grode
dedication.

482
00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:01,600
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

483
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:08,690
Robert
Love it. And had you all started your Instagram page for the listeners, it's climbing underscore backpackers. Obviously we'll have all this in the show notes, but had you guys started your own page by this point?

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00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:11,370
Nettie & Dave
yeah

485
00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:15,140
Robert
And so it was kind of natural to help them out with social media or had, what's this like almost you started social media work with them and you're like, no, maybe we should be doing this on our own as well.

486
00:29:15,140 --> 00:29:21,140
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

487
00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:25,070
Nettie & Dave
I started the page just before we left, basically, to to follow the journey through Southeast Asia.

488
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:28,070
Robert
Okay.

489
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:36,210
Nettie & Dave
I knew that I wanted to put stuff on there because I'd kind of been doing it with my own page. for a long time. Like I've always liked making videos and stuff, but this took it to another level, obviously.

490
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:38,560
Robert
Yeah,

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00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:38,680
Nettie & Dave
um Yeah, it just became really fun.

492
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,160
Robert
yeah

493
00:29:41,160 --> 00:30:01,470
Nettie & Dave
And then like, it also got interest, but for the first few months, it wasn't ah based around rock climbing. It was based around kind of everything else that we were doing, but When we did put climbing things up, they do really well. And obviously i find it a lot more fun to make climbing content because that's the thing that we're out there to do.

494
00:30:01,470 --> 00:30:01,910
Nettie & Dave
um

495
00:30:01,910 --> 00:30:02,520
Ari Grode
Cool.

496
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,050
Nettie & Dave
And it just naturally progressed into like now it's very climbing focused, the page.

497
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:07,130
Robert
Yeah.

498
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:14,100
Nettie & Dave
ah But since I did that, it's it's blown up. um So it was the right decision. It's a lot more fun for me to make that content.

499
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:14,380
Robert
For sure.

500
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:14,500
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, we didn't think that people would want to see climbing content at the start.

501
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:14,830
Robert
Like that.

502
00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:15,120
Ari Grode
cool

503
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,780
Robert
Yeah.

504
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:23,520
Nettie & Dave
So we're doing more like, and it was India. So like, you see crazy, crazy stuff every day. Like you could film, you could just get your camera out at any second and something funny or crazy will be happening.

505
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,650
Robert
Yeah.

506
00:30:27,650 --> 00:30:28,060
Nettie & Dave
So, yeah.

507
00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:34,150
Robert
Yeah, I can only imagine. it i mean, i've I've had it described to me by multiple people as like sensory overload. So I'm sure you point the camera and you're just there.

508
00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:35,380
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Yeah.

509
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:36,400
Robert
But okay, so you transition from like the 10 quid a day type content to climate content and like get some traction.

510
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,220
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

511
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:41,720
Nettie & Dave
yeah

512
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,870
Robert
And you got people coming in ah also see all the work that you guys are doing with their social media and they want to get belays from the the best guides in India.

513
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:51,630
Nettie & Dave
ye

514
00:30:51,630 --> 00:31:01,150
Robert
When what was like the you said you're there for about five weeks. What was the the next stop on the, uh, on the initial trips.

515
00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:10,590
Nettie & Dave
So because of we brought so many people in, there was these guys ah coming from a place called Lonaavala, which is um ah near Mumbai in India.

516
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:11,500
Robert
Okay.

517
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:26,260
Nettie & Dave
And they said, you have to come check out Aurok, like come out, hang out with us. We got like a great crowd, great community. So we we went we went to them next. And yes, it was good, but their rock was scary, let's They blamed it on the fact they were mining a tunnel underneath the mountain to make a highway, like a mega highway.

518
00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:34,210
Ari Grode
Wow.

519
00:31:34,210 --> 00:31:34,220
Nettie & Dave
And like it was basically vibrating the rock apart.

520
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:38,650
Robert
Okay.

521
00:31:38,650 --> 00:31:38,990
Robert
Wow.

522
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:44,860
Nettie & Dave
So you would just you just go out and you just pull off holds every day. It was very chossy. yeah Very, very trossy.

523
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:44,920
Ari Grode
wow

524
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,410
Robert
Yeah, that's.

525
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:50,710
Nettie & Dave
But the people were lovely. The people were great. like was so fun. It was fun experience, but I would never go there for climbing again.

526
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:53,990
Ari Grode
like

527
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:54,330
Nettie & Dave
Shame.

528
00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:58,370
Ari Grode
ah It's the greatest greatest outdoor crag ever. It resets every day. Oh, no.

529
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:58,510
Robert
yeah

530
00:31:58,510 --> 00:32:06,900
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, really does. I did a 7B, and then when Nethi did it, it was more like 7C. Because I pulled off the jug. and It was... Yeah.

531
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:09,490
Ari Grode
cool.

532
00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:09,870
Robert
Yeah, I can imagine with a couple of places that you all are traveling to, there's certainly a range in terms of rock quality that that's going on for sure.

533
00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:18,160
Ari Grode
ah cool

534
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,070
Nettie & Dave
Rock quality, bolting quality.

535
00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:21,230
Robert
Yeah.

536
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:27,010
Nettie & Dave
yeah Yeah. General safety. You definitely have to know your stuff to know what you're looking for. to keep yourself safe.

537
00:32:27,010 --> 00:32:38,770
Ari Grode
What, what type of, rock I mean, India is a huge place, but so maybe this is too broad of a question, but you know, what type of cloth, what's the style of climbing there? Uh, at least in some of the areas you went to, I mean, is this like steep limestone or.

538
00:32:38,770 --> 00:32:41,550
Nettie & Dave
In Badami, was super hard sandstone.

539
00:32:41,550 --> 00:32:41,570
Nettie & Dave
So it had these really cool features where it had like had like flakes, which were like millimeters thick, but they just never break. They're just so hard. you You think that credit card crimp is going to break off in your hand. It just never does.

540
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:55,340
Ari Grode
Oh, okay.

541
00:32:55,340 --> 00:33:06,750
Nettie & Dave
But then you have these like these wave functions form too. so you've got these like just giant moves between slopers. Like bulges almost. Like orange rock with big...

542
00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:14,670
Nettie & Dave
just horizontal seams and then no holds and then horizontal seams and notes. So was a lot of big lunges between those cracks. Yeah. That was heel to hand, big rock overs, slapping to the next, next slope.

543
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:17,960
Ari Grode
Yeah.

544
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,930
Ari Grode
Oh, cool.

545
00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:19,360
Robert
It's kind of like a new.

546
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,680
Ari Grode
Wow. That sounds sounds kind of mega.

547
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:21,740
Robert
Yeah, sounds sick.

548
00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:26,890
Nettie & Dave
It looks like chocolate. It's so cool. It's cool. If you're tall enough, if you're, if you're short, it's not too good.

549
00:33:26,890 --> 00:33:29,100
Ari Grode
Okay.

550
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:41,810
Nettie & Dave
I had some issues with that, but also I just wasn't really climbing super strong in any way, I'd say. don't know. Maybe be different now. Yeah, it'd be super interesting. I think it was super sandbagged there, but I'm just not so sure.

551
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:49,510
Nettie & Dave
knows? And then Lunavala, I can't remember what the rock type was volcanic. It was some kind of volcanic. I mean, basalt.

552
00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:49,620
Ari Grode
Okay.

553
00:33:49,620 --> 00:33:49,870
Nettie & Dave
I think it was called basalt.

554
00:33:49,870 --> 00:33:50,000
Ari Grode
Yeah.

555
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,710
Robert
but yeah

556
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:58,820
Nettie & Dave
But everywhere else, like from that point onwards in Asia was all limestone. Everything that we climbed on, yeah.

557
00:33:58,820 --> 00:34:02,050
Ari Grode
yeah Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's, that's like what always comes to mind when I think of Southeast Asia climbing is like the enormous Tufa features that are hanging over the beaches and and things like that.

558
00:34:02,050 --> 00:34:08,160
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

559
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,570
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Yeah. Massive car systems. Yeah.

560
00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:20,300
Ari Grode
Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I mean, maybe take us a little bit through, ah you know, how the, the, the year the journey played out.

561
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:23,720
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, so after that, we took our only flight, which was from India to Kuala Lumpur and then Malaysia.

562
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:26,460
Robert
Oh, wow.

563
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:27,420
Nettie & Dave
malaysia And then from Malaysia, we did everything by land, basically, for the rest of rest of the trip.

564
00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:31,370
Ari Grode
Okay.

565
00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:32,790
Robert
ah wow

566
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:34,730
Ari Grode
Via like bus or train or okay.

567
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:37,620
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, public transports, mainly buses, mainly very craft.

568
00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:38,560
Ari Grode
Okay.

569
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,820
Nettie & Dave
Lots of overnight buses and public transport, yeah.

570
00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:57,820
Robert
Yeah, there's some probably some some long ones for sure. what so Okay, so maybe hit us with like a for the first year, like what was but were all like your stops and then we can kind of like maybe circle back to some of your favorites on that in that regard.

571
00:34:57,820 --> 00:34:58,420
Robert
Because sounds like...

572
00:34:58,420 --> 00:35:06,090
Nettie & Dave
So again, when we when we got to Kuala Lumpur, we um just went to this place in Kuala Lumpur called Batu Caves, but it's kind of a wrong time a year.

573
00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:07,610
Robert
Yeah,

574
00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:12,020
Nettie & Dave
It was raining quite heavily there. We thought it wasn't, but they have like a too rainy season thing in Malaysia where like the north and the south and east and the west are like different rainy seasons, different times of the year, which we didn't know about.

575
00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:18,850
Robert
yeah.

576
00:35:18,850 --> 00:35:20,500
Robert
Gotcha. Oh,

577
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:43,840
Nettie & Dave
but super super cool locals there and they're just like you have to go to this place up north it's called Perlis you have to go there and we went to this place called Perlis had no idea about it and uh it was like incredible it was like the best it was like this massive car system in the middle of this like in middle of nowhere and like it was just hollow you could get an airplane in this in this car system and it's just like beautiful overhanging limestone

578
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,090
Robert
oh

579
00:35:46,090 --> 00:35:57,970
Nettie & Dave
climbs on the outside, climbs if you were to go through the cast system and out the other side, that was also bolted. And then because it was ah like a big cave system type thing, there were climbs inside.

580
00:35:57,970 --> 00:35:58,400
Nettie & Dave
So it's like, I've never really climbed anything like that since or before.

581
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,910
Robert
Nice.

582
00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:11,660
Nettie & Dave
was really, really crazy. And this is another case where I think, was it, was it real rock? Who went and bolted? It was Mammoth. Mammoth went and they bolted a load of stuff there.

583
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:13,130
Robert
Oh,

584
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:15,780
Nettie & Dave
And then they kind of like just left it as happens.

585
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:16,470
Robert
yeah.

586
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:26,250
Nettie & Dave
um But then the locals there have been like dealing with the upkeep and making sure it's all safe and guiding people. and They do caving and stuff. um

587
00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:26,670
Robert
Super cool.

588
00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:37,550
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, the locals there were really awesome. They've just kept it all going and then they're bolting more stuff around the area. And yeah, it's just, it was very cool there. So we went from South Malaysia,

589
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:44,070
Nettie & Dave
pretty much immediately just went to North Malaysia and we spent, I don't know how long we were there for, maybe three weeks was it three four weeks. Three or four weeks, something like that.

590
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:44,350
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

591
00:36:44,350 --> 00:36:48,770
Nettie & Dave
And then we headed to Thailand, literally walked across the border. Yeah.

592
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:48,910
Robert
That's sick.

593
00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:50,360
Ari Grode
Yeah,

594
00:36:50,360 --> 00:37:00,120
Robert
That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like such a like mega arena to be climbing in. I feel like especially with it being, okay, you're in India for a bit. Now we're over here in Malaysia. like That second stop probably was like you find a little bit of a rhythm too with like the whole travel like continuous aspect of it as well too.

595
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:07,050
Nettie & Dave
yeah

596
00:37:07,050 --> 00:37:16,520
Robert
Must have been a blast. what was like You mentioned there was like a a pretty good local scene. like What does that look like in terms of numbers? Are there like... you know, 40 people at a crag or is it like four people out a crag one day?

597
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,410
Nettie & Dave
Very small.

598
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:24,270
Nettie & Dave
it's It's probably like... Four people on the crag on the weekend. It's probably like, yeah, a crowd of like 20 people, maybe 40 people, if you include the guys coming over from Singapore, um because it's yeah a bus ride or a small flight away.

599
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:35,400
Robert
Yeah. Yeah.

600
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,130
Robert
Sure.

601
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:42,470
Nettie & Dave
and But it's just because it's so small, it's so like connected and just like everyone knows everyone. It's so vibing and so fun.

602
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:43,620
Robert
Yeah, that's cool.

603
00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:51,170
Nettie & Dave
Everyone's like super funny. They're super laugh. That's really different now, though. For sure, the climbing scene is blowing up over there as well, because there were people that we met on that trip, and that was almost like that was like a year and a half ago now.

604
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:57,170
Robert
yeah.

605
00:37:57,170 --> 00:38:11,320
Nettie & Dave
um There's one called Perlis Climbing Development and one called Penang Club. They've got like different parts of Malaysia have their own thing, and then they kind of merge with the other guys, but it's such a small group overall that everybody kind of knows each other, and it's...

606
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:11,730
Ari Grode
Oh, cool.

607
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:18,570
Nettie & Dave
really nice and personal. It's not like sometimes you go to somewhere in like Europe and people the locals don't want you there because you're going to ruin like their thing.

608
00:38:18,570 --> 00:38:20,130
Robert
yeah yeah

609
00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:27,060
Nettie & Dave
But this is a complete opposite. They're like super excited that people are coming in and like testing out their rock. Yeah. And they want more tourism, you know, they want, ah especially in Perlis, there's like two car systems there, one huge one and then this one small one.

610
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:35,720
Ari Grode
Oh, amazing.

611
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:43,000
Nettie & Dave
And the huge one is actually getting ah slowly destroyed and turned into materials for building. And like the locals don't want that to happen.

612
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,860
Robert
Oh.

613
00:38:45,860 --> 00:38:56,190
Nettie & Dave
So they want more tourism to go there to like show the government that is a viable way of sustaining the area. You don't have to destroy the nature to do it so

614
00:38:56,190 --> 00:38:56,880
Ari Grode
Oh yeah.

615
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,570
Robert
All right. That's a that's a call out to the listeners. If you need any vacation climbing, pur list put it on the list like this sounds pretty mega, fellas.

616
00:38:59,570 --> 00:39:04,230
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Yeah. Go to products. to products. Ms.

617
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:05,960
Ari Grode
It does sound pretty amazing. what what was there a Was there any trouble with like language barrier or anything or was was climbing kind of a good medium for communication?

618
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:15,570
Nettie & Dave
Burke.

619
00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:22,280
Nettie & Dave
um people speak pretty pretty good like especially in kola lumpur a lot of people speak english up north not so much but a guy that we were staying with who is the guy that deals with the upkeep of the area and stuff um his english was great and then otherwise just our phones make it so easy you can get you can get by it's not like you're having a full-blown conversation but you can like you can understand each other yeah

620
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:35,170
Ari Grode
Okay.

621
00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:35,320
Robert
yeah yeah

622
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:43,090
Ari Grode
Yeah.

623
00:39:43,090 --> 00:39:43,310
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, people are so friendly.

624
00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:44,400
Ari Grode
Cool.

625
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,490
Nettie & Dave
It's like, even if you're not you can kind of work it out.

626
00:39:48,490 --> 00:39:48,610
Ari Grode
Okay.

627
00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:49,150
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

628
00:39:49,150 --> 00:39:58,400
Ari Grode
Okay. Cool. So did did you, What other areas did you hit in kind of that that Southeast ah Asia area by Malaysia, Thailand? Those are the two you've mentioned so far.

629
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,730
Nettie & Dave
From there, we went we went straight to Tonsai.

630
00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:02,040
Ari Grode
Okay.

631
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,820
Nettie & Dave
ah Tonsai's a place... You guys know Tonsai? I think most people know.

632
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:05,910
Ari Grode
Yeah.

633
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:08,660
Robert
I mean, I've seen it and yeah, but I obviously have not been.

634
00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:10,720
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. It's quite famous and like...

635
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,880
Ari Grode
my my My wife and my brother have been there, but I haven't yet. Yeah.

636
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:30,480
Nettie & Dave
it's so it's really good it's the most polished thing was gonna say it's like if you want to know polish you go there the sweatiest place on the planet and you're climbing on the zero tech side of dual techs holds only it's wet is the best way to describe it's just so hot and sweaty and two fizz you're just hugging them with your disgusting sway body it's it's gross but it's really fun and beautiful

637
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:37,460
Ari Grode
Okay.

638
00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:40,590
Ari Grode
Okay.

639
00:40:40,590 --> 00:40:47,080
Nettie & Dave
So people like say it's an island, but it's actually connected to the mainland. But you have to go go there by sea because of you've got the beach, but then all around it is rock.

640
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,630
Ari Grode
okay

641
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:50,890
Nettie & Dave
So you kind of unless unless you climb out of there and scramble for like jungle, you're you're trapped.

642
00:40:50,890 --> 00:40:50,920
Robert
Gotcha.

643
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,200
Ari Grode
okay

644
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:56,230
Nettie & Dave
yeah So you have to you have to go in and out by boat. um which is good, but also like everything's more expensive there because it's like a cat capped audience sort of thing.

645
00:40:56,230 --> 00:41:05,060
Robert
Yeah.

646
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:06,320
Ari Grode
Oh.

647
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,030
Nettie & Dave
And it's not really a local experience. Everyone there is like a tourist, like a climbing tourist and just like, yeah, super fun vibes, like proper vibing, but yeah, not not a local work experience for sure.

648
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:16,990
Robert
Interesting.

649
00:41:16,990 --> 00:41:22,890
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, it was hard to stay on budget there as well because everything was just more than it was on the mainland.

650
00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:22,940
Nettie & Dave
So we kind of, at first, were not really eating enough. um but we decided to not do that we were just like we can just go over budget by a couple of pounds a day because we've been so under anyway in india like with overall we're still under budget but we we yeah we shouldn't really sacrifice food so we kind of just and campble yeah yeah it was that was a bad bad idea we learned the lesson fast though but then after that we went to crabby mainland

651
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:27,960
Robert
Right.

652
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:41,390
Ari Grode
oh

653
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:52,220
Robert
Yeah, dip into the India reserves. Yeah.

654
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:52,910
Robert
Okay.

655
00:41:52,910 --> 00:42:12,840
Nettie & Dave
which is, for one, it's a lot easier for the budget, and two, there's a lot more new rock there, so it's not polished, and it's it's just incredible climbing. Yeah, nice really, really good climbing. There's two places, one called Norfall, and the other was called, oh, what's it called? Spirit Mountain. Spirit Mountain. and Yeah.

656
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:21,190
Nettie & Dave
And these crags are amazing. That's where we're going back this year. We're not going to, we'll we'd probably do a few days in Tonsai, but we're not going stay in Tonsai. So...

657
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:24,070
Robert
don't Don't want to climb in this in the sweaty sauna anymore.

658
00:42:24,070 --> 00:42:29,550
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, yeah. And North Falls and North Facing Krag as well. So it's just like shade all day. It's so good. Yeah, so nice.

659
00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:29,980
Robert
um Amazing.

660
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:31,020
Ari Grode
Oh, nice.

661
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:34,970
Robert
what's What's like the time to go? I mean, i'm I'm assuming now that you've been, you kind of know like the right season and stuff like that.

662
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:37,760
Nettie & Dave
Christmas.

663
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,840
Robert
So going to go back over the holidays?

664
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:51,800
Nettie & Dave
We're going to be there in, well, we're going to be in Thailand in October, November. Really, it starts November to, I don't know, maybe. Jan. To Jan, f yeah, Feb. ish um so we'll be there a little bit early but towards the end of october it should be should be better i think all of the places that we went to in southeast asia kind of the same season is from at the very earliest really october until maybe march and because we visited so many places so after thailand we went

665
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,620
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:42:56,620 --> 00:43:11,470
Robert
nice

667
00:43:11,470 --> 00:43:24,450
Nettie & Dave
to Laos for two months. After that, we went to Vietnam for, ah don't know how long we were there for, maybe maybe a month and a half or something. But because we were getting so psyched in the places that we were in, we wanted to stay for longer.

668
00:43:24,450 --> 00:43:30,460
Nettie & Dave
And by the time we got to the next place, we pushed it. When we were in Laos, was 40 degrees and we were climbing.

669
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:30,670
Robert
Yeah, that's not ideal.

670
00:43:30,670 --> 00:43:30,910
Nettie & Dave
So yeah, the perfect time is Christmas.

671
00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:31,960
Ari Grode
Oh my gosh.

672
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,320
Robert
Wow. Yeah,

673
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,950
Nettie & Dave
And we were there in, i think it was eight i don't know when it was it was too hot we turned up way too late and it was way too hot people people said they went in december and it was like 10 degrees super crisp yeah and oh man it's so sweaty when we're over there so bad yeah so that's that's our plan this time we actually have more of a plan on where we're gonna hit at what times yeah

674
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:45,340
Robert
yeah.

675
00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:56,070
Robert
yeah yeah

676
00:43:56,070 --> 00:44:10,600
Ari Grode
So I got, I got two questions. Um, I'd love to understand, like, what did your actual climbing look like? I mean, were you guys just going out and trying to sample, ah you know, whatever classics there were? or were was it more, you know, trying to...

677
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:33,260
Ari Grode
I guess, push your, your physical ability and, and, you know, see what you could do in terms of a progression standpoint. And then, um, two, how was, where was kind of the social media aspect of this, uh, at this time? Like, how was that kind of following along? Were you building up a pretty good following? And, and I mean, were you starting to to do anything to use that to support, you know, the lifestyle at all?

678
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:45,020
Nettie & Dave
For the first question, I obviously had just come off my injury. So I wasn't training at all whilst i had my Achilles injury. I was doing more rehab for my ankle and stuff.

679
00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:50,170
Nettie & Dave
So my grade had dropped quite a bit. I was just like excited that I could actually climb again. So for me, especially at the start in India, I was just like happy that I could climb and just like enjoying climbing.

680
00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:56,770
Ari Grode
yeah

681
00:44:56,770 --> 00:45:00,300
Nettie & Dave
um But basically through the whole process, I just i just love...

682
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:02,070
Robert
Sure.

683
00:45:02,070 --> 00:45:10,350
Nettie & Dave
being at that point where you can't do the climb straight away and it's enjoyable to work out and then you do it. Like, it doesn't matter if it's like 7a or

684
00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:13,900
Robert
sure

685
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:31,980
Nettie & Dave
eight b It's like, if you get that process and you enjoy that process, whatever fitness you're at the time is like where i where i like it. But obviously because I had been doing that for so long, the grade has progressed back up to where I was, which is super fun.

686
00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:34,220
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, I'd say. kind of Not really.

687
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:48,610
Robert
And with, and I mean, that's, that makes sense. Were you guys doing any sort of like, it sounds like primarily focused on sport climbing and Boulder, but like, did you ever do any like multi-pitch or like that in certain areas? Or is it pretty straightforward? and

688
00:45:48,610 --> 00:45:53,460
Nettie & Dave
We kind of bought as little gear as we could because if we were carrying it around everywhere. um So we just had like the one rope, a certain amount of quick draws.

689
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:56,730
Robert
Yep.

690
00:45:56,730 --> 00:46:13,840
Nettie & Dave
I don't think we even bought, we didn't have helmets. when We didn't, we were in that place in India. We had to borrow one and we had one helmet, but ah yeah. Yeah, we didn't really do, it was, it we kind of intended on it being maybe bouldering and sport, but there just isn't really that much bouldering. So sport took over.

691
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,450
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

692
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:14,750
Robert
Yeah, it makes sense.

693
00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:17,180
Ari Grode
Okay.

694
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:26,540
Nettie & Dave
But I don't know, for me, I was just climbing. I didn't really have a goal. Just we were kind of doing two days on, one day off was the plan. And that's that's what we ended up just doing. Yeah.

695
00:46:26,540 --> 00:46:26,570
Ari Grode
Just whatever.

696
00:46:26,570 --> 00:46:36,960
Nettie & Dave
And with the budget, um we couldn't really do rest day activities and stay on budget. So like we were just climbing all the time, basically. Yeah. Yeah, we plan to do like 50-50, like 50% like just fun travel stuff and film that.

697
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:43,750
Ari Grode
Yeah.

698
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:53,440
Nettie & Dave
And then on the other days, just do climbing i and then just don't film that. But it kind of like completely switched the other way where we just climbed and we just film climbing. Yeah, the the social media naturally grew with what we're doing because we had the drone and we just like to film it.

699
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:59,840
Ari Grode
Okay.

700
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:10,710
Nettie & Dave
um I think because we're in interesting places where people don't get so much footage of that, I just put that together, put that out, it would do well. Yeah, just kind of naturally progressed.

701
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:11,740
Nettie & Dave
I think by the time we got to...

702
00:47:11,740 --> 00:47:13,580
Robert
Yeah,

703
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:19,610
Nettie & Dave
tonai were like around 10,000. Yeah, I think so. We hit 10,000 while we were in Thailand and that was three months in or something.

704
00:47:19,610 --> 00:47:22,090
Robert
yeah

705
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:27,850
Nettie & Dave
Which was weird because like up to that point, it just us climbing in places where one knew us. And there was this number, which meant nothing.

706
00:47:27,850 --> 00:47:31,500
Robert
yeah yeah

707
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:39,280
Nettie & Dave
But then as soon as we went to ton Tonsai and like everyone's a climber, ah people started recognizing us. It's like, oh, this is this is kind of weird.

708
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,170
Robert
That's wild. Yeah. You get, you get the, you get the K next to your number and all of a sudden things start to change.

709
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:44,630
Nettie & Dave
What's happening here?

710
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:44,880
Robert
Huh?

711
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,490
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was weird.

712
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:47,570
Robert
Yeah.

713
00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:49,050
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Like instant friends.

714
00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:50,080
Robert
it's

715
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, yeah.

716
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,280
Robert
That's awesome.

717
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,600
Ari Grode
And where these, these are people from just all over that just, you know, had found your page about.

718
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:01,630
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. And a few people who had like... come out because they knew we were gonna be there. And like, yeah, just like, yeah.

719
00:48:01,630 --> 00:48:02,970
Ari Grode
Oh, cool.

720
00:48:02,970 --> 00:48:04,200
Robert
Wow.

721
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,320
Nettie & Dave
Super surreal. Yeah, seems really weird with 10,000, but I think it's such a niche sport. Like people that are going to Tonsai, look up hashtag Tonsai, and then we're putting all these videos out.

722
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:13,930
Ari Grode
Right.

723
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:17,640
Nettie & Dave
So they're like, I guess they were just seeing a lot of our stuff, the people that were going there.

724
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:17,730
Robert
sure

725
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:25,230
Nettie & Dave
So yeah, no, it was really strange, but really cool. We met some really nice people, just hung out with people, made friends.

726
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:32,990
Robert
yeah i'd imagine with like the like i guess the niche of like backpacking climbing like travel climbing uh yeah exactly like there's there's certainly like a uh

727
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:40,780
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, Southeast Asia too, where it's just not like publicized.

728
00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:50,790
Robert
you know, there's an element of like people are researching, right? Like they're they're on the road, they're looking for places. So like, it's not even just like, oh, they're trying to get beta for a particular route. It's like, they want guidance, they want advice on like where to go and how to find the spot.

729
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:54,180
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Yeah.

730
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:55,340
Robert
So I'm sure your videos have helped a lot of people in terms of like planning their trips and all of that.

731
00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:59,170
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

732
00:48:59,170 --> 00:49:21,060
Robert
So that's ah super fun. I'm curious, I wanna circle back to Laos as well, cause you mentioned it is like an incredible place. It looks beautiful and, obviously you weren't there at the ideal time, but she, it sounds like you're going back. So like, what about Lau was like really special for you guys that despite it being 40 degrees, you're like, Oh, we need to, we need to come back here.

733
00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:26,030
Nettie & Dave
Have you seen any photos of green climbers of the place? What it looks like?

734
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:29,400
Robert
I haven't seen that of the climate. I've seen it of the country. i mean, I know that they have quite a unique landscape to say the least.

735
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,810
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

736
00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:32,860
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, this place is special. It's ah right next to Tekek, which is like the border town between Laos and Thailand.

737
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:37,020
Robert
Um, but

738
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:41,050
Robert
okay.

739
00:49:41,050 --> 00:49:42,290
Robert
Yep. Yeah. yeah

740
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:54,810
Nettie & Dave
And it's, I think it's another car system, isn't it? Just one huge car system. And the climbing there is crazy. I've never seen a roof like it.

741
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:54,960
Nettie & Dave
Like the best way to describe it is like, just imagine...

742
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,660
Robert
okay

743
00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:05,020
Nettie & Dave
a 40 meter like full overhang and someone's just punched jugs into the roof.

744
00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:08,670
Robert
Oh my God.

745
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:08,900
Nettie & Dave
Like serious like handlebars and everything.

746
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:10,290
Ari Grode
uh mid 5 10.

747
00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:12,570
Robert
I'm sick.

748
00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:22,510
Nettie & Dave
Like we've never seen ah roof that steep that has a six, a six B in it. Like what is six B? We need to get great conversion back up.

749
00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:22,820
Robert
Oh, yeah, we got it.

750
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:25,600
Ari Grode
ah bi five ten

751
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:40,510
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. And it's just like, It's just overhanging jugs. it It's crazy. Like how can you have so something so easy in such a steep roof? The hardest thing in the roof is 8A plus, right? So 513C, I know that one.

752
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:41,970
Nettie & Dave
But like for for the angle, that is just ridiculous.

753
00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:44,330
Robert
OK.

754
00:50:44,330 --> 00:50:56,340
Nettie & Dave
Like the holds are that good, but that's the hardest route in the roof. And it's huge. It's just absolutely massive. You're getting like, Not even really a bat hang. You could just put your legs over and hang on it like it was a bar almost.

755
00:50:56,340 --> 00:51:06,100
Nettie & Dave
Just the craziest gym rack climbing you've ever seen. Sometimes you get to hook an arm in and hang on your arm. and But it's not all like that. It has normal climbing as well, um like other angles.

756
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:07,520
Robert
yeah

757
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:12,530
Nettie & Dave
But that that one specific crag was just hooked. It was so cool.

758
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:13,170
Robert
Yeah, it sounds epic.

759
00:51:13,170 --> 00:51:13,370
Ari Grode
Nice.

760
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:15,400
Robert
what What was the name of that Craig?

761
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,540
Nettie & Dave
It's actually just called The Roof. It's not that inventive.

762
00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:18,060
Robert
Yeah, nice.

763
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:18,610
Ari Grode
The roof.

764
00:51:18,610 --> 00:51:29,910
Nettie & Dave
Just The Roof Tekek and you can't miss it. So there's Tekek Town and then there's ah a place run by, it used to be ah run by an American couple, but i don't know, I think they sold it now.

765
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:32,010
Nettie & Dave
And it's called Green Climbers Home.

766
00:51:32,010 --> 00:51:32,150
Robert
Okay.

767
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:42,260
Nettie & Dave
And they have and like a nice little restaurant there and they have like and a campsite they have a few huts to rent out. And all the climbing is like 100 metres walking distance from this bungalow.

768
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:43,720
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

769
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:43,840
Nettie & Dave
So yeah, it's super.

770
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,640
Robert
It's like the Miguel's of Lau. Sorry.

771
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:47,830
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, literally.

772
00:51:47,830 --> 00:51:48,730
Robert
Yeah, that's awesome.

773
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:51,730
Nettie & Dave
We didn't actually stay there because of the budget, though. Because, again, it's a capped audience situation, so it's more westernised prices.

774
00:51:51,730 --> 00:51:54,670
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

775
00:51:54,670 --> 00:51:57,250
Robert
Of course.

776
00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:57,470
Nettie & Dave
um so we actually had a scooter that I think was £3 a day, and we would just commute in from the actual town that we stayed in.

777
00:51:57,470 --> 00:52:05,700
Ari Grode
Wow.

778
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:11,400
Nettie & Dave
um We were paying £5 a night for our accommodation, and it had AC and a mini fridge. like

779
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,300
Ari Grode
wow

780
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:12,420
Nettie & Dave
It was the nicest place we stayed on the whole trip, and it was...

781
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:13,540
Ari Grode
Luxury living.

782
00:52:13,540 --> 00:52:15,850
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

783
00:52:15,850 --> 00:52:20,260
Nettie & Dave
So cheap. And when it's 40 degrees heat, you don't really want to be staying in a tent. Yeah.

784
00:52:20,260 --> 00:52:20,280
Robert
No, no, definitely not.

785
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,250
Ari Grode
For sure. Yeah.

786
00:52:21,250 --> 00:52:21,490
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

787
00:52:21,490 --> 00:52:30,800
Ari Grode
can Can you talk about that a little bit? I mean, where was your tip what was what did typical accommodations look like? I know it was ah kind of covered on the on the part where you were in India, but.

788
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:45,440
Nettie & Dave
um When we um but to Malaysia, we were staying with a guy who was boating there. He put us up for free. That was super nice. And Tonsai was expensive because was capped audience.

789
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:58,080
Nettie & Dave
We were just in a jungle hut ah with like, you Electrously from 8 p.m. to 8 a.m. m Off a generator. With a fan and a mosquito net and a cold shower. You don't want a hot shower though. Cold shower's fine.

790
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:58,400
Robert
No. yeah

791
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:58,610
Nettie & Dave
Which was super expensive.

792
00:52:58,610 --> 00:52:59,560
Ari Grode
Yeah.

793
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:08,760
Nettie & Dave
it it wasn't I think it was like £7 a night. Super expensive for our budget. For our budget, trying to eat and stuff at the same time, it was more than we had spent so far anywhere else.

794
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:09,230
Robert
Is the budget 10 pound a night total or per person?

795
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:14,110
Nettie & Dave
And then each a day per person.

796
00:53:14,110 --> 00:53:15,030
Robert
ah Okay. Okay.

797
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:18,550
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, that would be very hard.

798
00:53:18,550 --> 00:53:19,100
Robert
That'd be tricky.

799
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:19,210
Nettie & Dave
This was already pretty difficult.

800
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:20,300
Robert
Yeah. Yeah.

801
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:20,890
Nettie & Dave
what That would be, yeah.

802
00:53:20,890 --> 00:53:22,610
Robert
Yeah.

803
00:53:22,610 --> 00:54:04,940
Nettie & Dave
And then in mainland... ah grabby we were staying in this really nice hotel uh well really nice compared to mud hut and um i had like a fan and all day electricity and a fridge and it was really nice and then yeah but lao as we just said it was like air con and and stuff like that so yeah i mean most of the time we were either having accommodation through friends and people that we were like working for almost or we were paying for accommodation most of the time that we were paying for accommodation it was either extremely basic and fine because it was clean or like really really rough like exactly how you would imagine like I'd go on Agoda so like booking.com but I guess it has more Asia on there

804
00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:10,420
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

805
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:11,200
Robert
Yeah,

806
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,850
Nettie & Dave
And I'd just find the cheapest thing, which is a really bad idea because oh some of the places, like, just, like, the sheets are yellow.

807
00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:18,690
Robert
yeah.

808
00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:22,870
Nettie & Dave
The pillows are clearly... Someone's just been smoking a cigarette while laying on it.

809
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:23,170
Robert
Yeah,

810
00:54:23,170 --> 00:54:32,300
Nettie & Dave
Really disgusting, some of the places. But usually this was um while we were moving. So we'd stay there for one or two nights on our way to the next place because actually when we...

811
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:34,220
Robert
yeah. yeah

812
00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:45,000
Nettie & Dave
would arrive at a country and at a climbing area, we'd be there for a really long period of time. So we we'd end up learning the area, finding what place was best, and then just spending all of our time there.

813
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:54,110
Nettie & Dave
So we weren't actually hostel hopping, really, unless we were moving around, um which is also a lot cheaper because you you get, like, deals for staying in places longer or you just know where to get cheap food.

814
00:54:54,110 --> 00:54:56,550
Robert
Yeah. yeah

815
00:54:56,550 --> 00:55:08,490
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. The cheapest, nicest places were never online. Yeah. They were always... word of mouth or you'd have just go and knock on people's doors what said like you know uh room available sort of thing um and then you just stay with a really nice family and have a really nice local experience for like a fraction of a price which was really nice and helping you yeah yeah yeah

816
00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:15,510
Robert
Yeah.

817
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:24,660
Robert
Yeah. The, the homes, the homestay setups are pretty good sometimes too, where you're just like, like chilling with the fam, you know, meeting the kids and yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.

818
00:55:24,660 --> 00:55:25,070
Nettie & Dave
yeah that's what we had in vietnam

819
00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:31,870
Ari Grode
Yeah, it seems. Yeah, it seems like you kind of learned the way to navigate that whole thing. That's, that's cool.

820
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:31,940
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, you're always over budget in the first week and you're like, are we're not going to be able to do it.

821
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:35,870
Ari Grode
um

822
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:44,390
Nettie & Dave
And then a month later, you've worked everything out and that's all just come down because you know how to navigate the area and not spend loads of money.

823
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:55,150
Ari Grode
Curious, was there anywhere in the first year, I'm sure there was, but was there any like main areas that you wanted to hit that you kind of didn't make it to?

824
00:55:55,150 --> 00:55:57,410
Nettie & Dave
Yes, and we're going this time.

825
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:57,830
Ari Grode
Okay.

826
00:55:57,830 --> 00:55:58,050
Robert
Love that.

827
00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:02,590
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. So mainly the Philippines we wanted to

828
00:56:02,590 --> 00:56:02,790
Ari Grode
Okay.

829
00:56:02,790 --> 00:56:21,920
Nettie & Dave
um And we weren't going to do China last time because I think like the visas and stuff are a bit more expensive and we didn't think we could do it on the budget. But this time we're still going to do it on a small budget, but we're not going to be very stuck on this £10 a day thing. It's just going to be cheap, but not specifically £10 a day.

830
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,720
Nettie & Dave
So this time we are definitely adding Philippines and we're adding on China as well.

831
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:27,050
Robert
Amazing.

832
00:56:27,050 --> 00:56:29,030
Nettie & Dave
which I've never been to either of them. Dave's been to China a long time ago.

833
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:30,460
Ari Grode
Cool.

834
00:56:30,460 --> 00:56:46,600
Nettie & Dave
There was a place in North Thailand too We had to like either go there or go to Laos. We decided to go straight to Laos because we knew it was coming out of season in Laos and then we wanted to move on. And we heard rumours that there wasn't that much hard stuff at this place in North Thailand.

835
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:47,910
Nettie & Dave
Chiang Mai, yeah.

836
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:48,840
Robert
Oh yeah.

837
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,870
Nettie & Dave
no And you want to go?

838
00:56:49,870 --> 00:56:54,390
Robert
Yeah. I've heard Chang. I've heard Chang. My is like a cool, uh, town from like a, like tourism standpoint.

839
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:56,200
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, touristy vibes.

840
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:13,180
Robert
Uh, but I haven't heard about the climb in there, but that, that whole area, i mean, it's supposed to be beautiful. So I'm sure you guys have a good time. What you mentioned like this next time. Can you guys elaborate on that a little bit? Is there kind of a grand plan for another full year or what does next time look like?

841
00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:16,080
Nettie & Dave
This one's getting way more planned out than the last one.

842
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:16,370
Robert
Okay.

843
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:20,710
Nettie & Dave
We're going on the 31st? We're going in two weeks. It's on the 23rd of August.

844
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:21,770
Robert
Nice.

845
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:45,720
Nettie & Dave
We fly back to Malaysia and we're just doing a whole new Southeast Asia stint, basically. um but better planning better times of year and don't know yeah we have some cool ideas gonna get involved in like some bolting and stuff with people that we met last time it's gonna be like last time but better or I think yeah way more planned out

846
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:52,830
Ari Grode
So, and it seems like, you know, the, the, the one year plan has turned into, you know, kind of an extended future. ah

847
00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:54,110
Nettie & Dave
a lifetime we hope a lifetime

848
00:57:54,110 --> 00:57:58,240
Ari Grode
yeah. Uh, can you talk about that a little bit? I mean, what, how did, uh, what, how did that progress in terms of, you know, realizing that you could do this longer and then, you know, you know, what kind of is the plan with that a little bit?

849
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:11,880
Nettie & Dave
um

850
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:12,430
Robert
Yeah, did like a switch flip and you guys like, okay, like when we were in Laos, we realized, oh, we we kind of got this figured out or like, is it just still a work in progress?

851
00:58:12,430 --> 00:58:20,880
Nettie & Dave
Thank you.

852
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:30,500
Nettie & Dave
When we got to the end of the year and we were like under, we were under budget, including any flights that we'd taken. So I think we spent, I do have the exact number.

853
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,210
Robert
That's pretty good.

854
00:58:33,210 --> 00:58:45,400
Nettie & Dave
I've had to find out on my phone, but if you're earning, if you're spending 10 pound a day each, we need to earn 20 pounds a day each to continue living that lifestyle, which is not really that much money.

855
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:58,760
Nettie & Dave
um Yeah. We kind of just figured we could either come back and get normal jobs or we can, just do little bits and keep going. Like we're so low maintenance and we're obviously pretty comfortable with uncomfortable.

856
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,710
Nettie & Dave
um

857
00:58:59,710 --> 00:59:00,010
Robert
Yeah. yeah

858
00:59:00,010 --> 00:59:11,200
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, I just, I would rather keep living like that and just climbing every day than come back and live in the UK spending 10 times the amount and like maybe getting to go out on the weekend sometimes.

859
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:11,450
Robert
Yeah, for the listeners, some quick maths, that's 20 pounds a day for 365 days out of the year is only $7,300.

860
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:20,060
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

861
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:24,700
Robert
So pretty impressive that you're able to keep it within that, I guess I would say. And like like you said, that's not that hard to...

862
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:26,820
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, I think it was under that, including flights.

863
00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:27,270
Robert
Dang, that's wild.

864
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:29,860
Nettie & Dave
So it's just like, yeah, it was really crazy.

865
00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:31,190
Robert
That's wild.

866
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:35,500
Nettie & Dave
And people started like inviting us places as well, which is awesome. Like we got invited to ah Turkey.

867
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:39,060
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

868
00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:39,180
Nettie & Dave
ah I'm probably going to slaughter this, but Gage barely.

869
00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:40,420
Robert
Cool. Cool.

870
00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:42,950
Ari Grode
Mm-hmm.

871
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:58,000
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, I think that was pretty good actually. And then we got invited to Cyprus, which was like, they were just about to release this new guidebook and they wanted to advertise a guidebook. And then we happened to find a work away in Kalimnos, Greece.

872
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:58,320
Robert
Nice.

873
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:12,360
Nettie & Dave
So then we had these like three places lined up, which we could get to via public transport and land again. And we're like, let's let's just do it. like And then so for all them three places, we already had our accommodation sorted.

874
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:12,720
Robert
Nice.

875
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:24,780
Nettie & Dave
So, yeah, obviously it's going to more expensive, but... think Turkey, we were under £10 day. Cyprus, I think we were bang on, basically. Kalimnos is really touristy.

876
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:24,930
Nettie & Dave
So we were, like, slightly over, but not by very much because accommodation was paid for.

877
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:28,700
Robert
sure

878
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:37,980
Nettie & Dave
um And then we came back, decked out our crappy little car and went to Spain to live in that for three months to use up our 90 days that we get there.

879
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:38,020
Robert
Nice.

880
01:00:38,020 --> 01:00:40,700
Ari Grode
Wow.

881
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:41,090
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

882
01:00:41,090 --> 01:00:41,240
Ari Grode
Cool.

883
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,430
Nettie & Dave
Thanks for Brexit. yeah no we're waiting for it but it hasn't done it at all

884
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:51,550
Ari Grode
So that it it seems like the psych has not wavered in the slightest.

885
01:00:51,550 --> 01:00:58,140
Robert
ah So this next, this next like Southeast Asia stint, like how long do you guys anticipate that lasting?

886
01:00:58,140 --> 01:01:13,290
Nettie & Dave
i imagine it will last until about april because last time we stayed until july and that was disgusting like it's too hot it's raining in a lot of the places you can't climb at that time of year, we just stayed out there for too long.

887
01:01:13,290 --> 01:01:28,930
Nettie & Dave
um I think as we're doing Philippines, maybe February or something, and then we'll do China, China can be pushed back slightly further than the other places. But after China, I think we'll be coming home and then like, if we don't already have another plan, we'll rustle up a plan.

888
01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:28,960
Nettie & Dave
I like the idea of South America, but nothing's really solid yet.

889
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:35,650
Robert
sure it's some pretty wild climbing in peru that's all say yeah yeah yeah

890
01:01:35,650 --> 01:01:38,340
Ari Grode
Okay.

891
01:01:38,340 --> 01:01:54,970
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, I've heard. Peru, Brazil. but This is another thing is people, because of the page, they're like, you should come here. have to come here. You can stay here at this place. And we're like, well, that just helps us. And yeah, if we can advertise places that want the advertisement, it's just a win-win.

892
01:01:54,970 --> 01:01:55,330
Robert
sure

893
01:01:55,330 --> 01:01:56,870
Ari Grode
Yeah, absolutely.

894
01:01:56,870 --> 01:02:09,230
Nettie & Dave
and And because of a page, like so many people be reaching out and say, like hey, like do you think I can climb in Kuala Lumpur, like, like asking you for a low down on it.

895
01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:17,800
Nettie & Dave
And we give them a low down about like, like, can I find a belay there? I'm like, well, you can at weekends, but you can't like during the week. So

896
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,390
Robert
Right. Oh,

897
01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:22,640
Nettie & Dave
We've decided to like do like these group trips when we go around this time.

898
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:23,920
Robert
ah cool.

899
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:39,270
Nettie & Dave
So we're hosting a group trip on the 25th for a week in a Kuala Lumpur. And it sold out pretty quickly, which is awesome. And yeah, just like getting a group of site people together and like everyone just climbing together, really. Hostel vibes.

900
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:40,210
Nettie & Dave
So yeah. Not that hostel vibes like your ankle hostel vibes.

901
01:02:40,210 --> 01:02:42,660
Robert
That's awesome.

902
01:02:42,660 --> 01:02:45,740
Nettie & Dave
Good hostel vibes. Please do.

903
01:02:45,740 --> 01:02:45,980
Robert
Achilles stay intact.

904
01:02:45,980 --> 01:02:57,130
Ari Grode
Yes. I saw that on your, I was perusing the website. I saw those on there. So well we'll be sure to shout that out for people that are interested, but that that looks pretty cool. And it's, it's not really like a guided thing.

905
01:02:57,130 --> 01:02:57,750
Ari Grode
It's really just like a hangout, go climbing with like-minded people.

906
01:02:57,750 --> 01:03:13,380
Nettie & Dave
yeah yeah yeah everyone has to be competent and know what they're doing and stuff so that's what we thought would be cool because we can do them for so ridiculously cheap because now we know how to sort of do it that way like the the first one the week in malaysia was 250 pounds each obviously you have to get there and stuff but the trip itself like and sort your own food yeah

907
01:03:13,380 --> 01:03:16,680
Robert
Yeah.

908
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:31,720
Nettie & Dave
yeah yeah but we'll do some activities and just like get everyone to where the climbing is good and then there'll be belays because we're facilitating it in a way where there'll be people so yeah kind of just works out for everyone and we just get to stay in a nice place that's not like a pound a night and just hang out with people which is kind of all we want to do anyway so yeah just really fun

909
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:32,330
Ari Grode
Ha ha ha.

910
01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:36,220
Robert
Yeah. Yeah.

911
01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:48,440
Robert
I mean, that's perfect. Cause when you're like, when you're traveling on a budget like that, which I'm assuming everyone that's going to be on these trips are is doing, it's like, it's the hardest thing to do is like one, find climbing partners to like sorting out food is like better when you're in a group.

912
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,780
Nettie & Dave
yeah and yeah yeah yeah

913
01:03:51,780 --> 01:03:58,400
Robert
Anyways, you can do like group meals and like dinners and all that stuff too. So it sounds like a great time.

914
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,950
Nettie & Dave
really excited i think it should be fun yeah should be really good it's happening soon yeah yeah so we've got one one of them in malaysia one of them mainland thailand and one of them we're sorting out in vietnam the moment yeah the other two are sold out but vietnam's got some spots left

915
01:04:01,950 --> 01:04:14,860
Robert
Nice.

916
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:22,790
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, but that won't be until January, so we're in a rush to fill those up. It'll be really good. And potentially more afterwards, but nothing's ah solid yet.

917
01:04:22,790 --> 01:04:23,880
Robert
nice

918
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,560
Nettie & Dave
But yeah, that should be really fun. Looking forward to van

919
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:39,420
Ari Grode
want to ask, what are some of what would you say are some of the hardest parts of traveling like on a budget like this? like What are some of those like the the dark sides that nobody talks about?

920
01:04:39,420 --> 01:04:47,280
Nettie & Dave
to them. I think two come straight to mind. One is definitely rest days in hot countries where you can't afford to go anywhere and you're in your little house and you don't really want to go outside because it's too hot.

921
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:57,170
Ari Grode
okay

922
01:04:57,170 --> 01:05:32,840
Nettie & Dave
So you get kind of like a bit of cabin fever sometimes, and which this time we're definitely going to try and like avoid by spending more money. But yeah, there was some like banging your head against the wall like days definitely especially towards the end when it was getting like too hot in like yeah malaysia and stuff well like you can go out and you can do something but then you know even if we went to an air con more it would have been nice but then you have to pay for a train to get there and stuff this yeah it's pretty restrictive on that amount i feel like we could have spent maybe an extra five pounds each or something

923
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:39,690
Nettie & Dave
And it would have been a completely different experience. Like you don't have to spend much more for it to be really like a lot more comfortable, but we were doing everything as cheap as humanly possible.

924
01:05:39,690 --> 01:05:43,080
Ari Grode
Oh, cool.

925
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:54,990
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. The other thing, I i mean, i don't know what your other thing was, but mine was when I got sick. I got so sick in Vietnam and there was just, the accommodation we were in was horrific.

926
01:05:54,990 --> 01:06:01,080
Nettie & Dave
We were volunteering for ah like one of the companies there, a climbing company. Deepwater solo company. And we were in this room that was super uncomfortable.

927
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:01,280
Robert
Oh, cool.

928
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,210
Ari Grode
um cool

929
01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:16,980
Nettie & Dave
like we were just sleeping on our camping gear on the floor because the bed was so uncomfortable. Did we have a fan? I don't even know. It was really hot in there, but I got really sick. The toilet was two floors down. The bum gun did not work.

930
01:06:16,980 --> 01:06:18,720
Nettie & Dave
or of the bidet, the flush didn't work.

931
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,700
Robert
The bum cut.

932
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:30,390
Nettie & Dave
So I'm like waking up, running down the stairs, throwing up, bucket in the toilet, throwing up again, other side, running back upstairs, trying to get to sleep, just like crying for a bit, waking up, going down again.

933
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:34,280
Robert
Oh, man.

934
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:45,590
Nettie & Dave
Like it's horrible. When you're sick and you're in a place like that, it was so rough, like scarred for life for sure. That's my number one. Being sick on that budget, not cool.

935
01:06:45,590 --> 01:07:11,940
Nettie & Dave
My other thing was like things we take for granted, even i take for granted today, become luxuries. So like when when anything what doesn't like sustain you becomes a luxury you really know like how lucky you are in this world you know like as neti just said coffees like every time i had would have a coffee i'd be like this is the best thing in the world you know this is such a treat such a nice but then you come home like yeah i'll have a coffee this morning whatever sort of thing just like yeah like we went out for like a dessert on on neti's birthday and oh man

936
01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:16,450
Robert
Ha ha ha ha

937
01:07:16,450 --> 01:07:23,290
Ari Grode
I

938
01:07:23,290 --> 01:07:36,700
Nettie & Dave
don't think I had a dessert that what tasted that good. And India, yes, we were like living for free, but we didn't stay in the bed once. And when we got to Malaysia, we got to this this guy's house to stay with him.

939
01:07:36,700 --> 01:07:41,580
Nettie & Dave
was like, I'm really sorry that the bed's not that comfortable. was like, you have a bed.

940
01:07:41,580 --> 01:07:41,610
Nettie & Dave
This is like s the best thing ever. I don't have to sleep on the floor. This is amazing. yeah yeah But it also i made for really good like stories and stuff.

941
01:07:41,610 --> 01:07:49,400
Robert
Yeah.

942
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,110
Ari Grode
And,

943
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:53,270
Nettie & Dave
you know so

944
01:07:53,270 --> 01:08:03,800
Ari Grode
oh, of course. Yeah, that's amazing. um What, what is, what is, what are typical meals look like? Like, what do you guys typically eat to, especially with the budget you're working under?

945
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:08,370
Nettie & Dave
Depending on where we are, um but chicken rice and vegetables, essentially.

946
01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:10,310
Ari Grode
Okay. Okay.

947
01:08:10,310 --> 01:08:22,390
Nettie & Dave
um You kind of like change the way you look at things because of your wanting more food for less money. You're looking at how much quantity you get compared to like...

948
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:45,860
Nettie & Dave
quality which isn't like the best but definitely is it was easier in some places though yeah like some places it's really easy to get cheap healthy food and in other places not so much and every day everywhere that we were we just had oats for breakfast so we weren't paying for breakfast ever that would like give us another chunk of money to spend on lunch dinner like other necessities but we'd have

949
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:46,320
Robert
yeah

950
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:58,760
Nettie & Dave
a bag of oats, some fruit, and just like put some water or honey in with that. It's really sad breakfast. But oats fills you up and it's really cheap and like it's actually pretty healthy. So at least you start the day off well.

951
01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:59,070
Robert
you get you get used to like the the budget breakfast though because like whatever rhythm you're in like when we were backpacking uh we'd

952
01:08:59,070 --> 01:09:02,520
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

953
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:07,250
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

954
01:09:07,250 --> 01:09:10,740
Robert
we're in Japan for a bit and like the seven 11's there, like our gourmet, you know what i mean?

955
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:12,280
Nettie & Dave
Oh man, that's so good, right? I'm so excited for the 7-Eleven.

956
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,930
Robert
You can go get like a little rice ball for like a dollar or whatever it is.

957
01:09:14,930 --> 01:09:16,260
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Yeah.

958
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:21,290
Robert
And it's like, all right, that and a little juice. And like that was breakfast for like two weeks while we were there. But yeah, it's, it's kind of funny when you get in that rhythm.

959
01:09:21,290 --> 01:09:24,240
Nettie & Dave
yeah I mean, we were doing that in Thailand too.

960
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:24,280
Robert
There you go.

961
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,870
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. 7-Elevens are amazing. Our oats would be with a yogurt or something.

962
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:29,010
Robert
Yeah.

963
01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:32,540
Nettie & Dave
Like you can just go and get something that's been in an actual fridge.

964
01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:32,830
Robert
Yeah.

965
01:09:32,830 --> 01:09:32,950
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, 7-Elevens were good.

966
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:32,990
Robert
Yeah.

967
01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:35,490
Ari Grode
Mm hmm.

968
01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:35,550
Ari Grode
And and what is what is kind of your kit look like?

969
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:39,130
Robert
What?

970
01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:42,630
Ari Grode
mean, what do you guys have on you? You know, at all times?

971
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:45,680
Nettie & Dave
a lot of climbing gear and not very much of anything else.

972
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,750
Ari Grode
Okay.

973
01:09:48,750 --> 01:09:52,420
Nettie & Dave
We didn't make a mistake of like taking a camping set up last time we went, um but we use it basically twice and both times weren't ideal.

974
01:09:52,420 --> 01:09:58,640
Ari Grode
okay

975
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:10,520
Nettie & Dave
ah One, because of we would have to have somewhere else where we'd leave like our ah big bulky bag so we couldn't tent with everything. We'd have to leave our stuff with a friend or something.

976
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:19,660
Nettie & Dave
and And yeah, um also the camping spots we stayed in weren't that good either. Like we stayed in this, do you know guys know Hampi in India?

977
01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:20,920
Robert
No.

978
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:21,250
Nettie & Dave
we we It's where Chris Sharma did his movie, yeah, bouldering there.

979
01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:24,030
Ari Grode
no

980
01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:30,600
Robert
Oh, ya yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a really, there's like some amazing bouldering right? Yeah, yeah.

981
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:42,950
Nettie & Dave
and And we left our staff in Badami and went to happy of just our tent and a pair of climbing shoes because it's all bouldering. And ah we stayed in this this cave for the night.

982
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:47,350
Nettie & Dave
And then the locals were like, you you shouldn't have done that. There's like tigers and crocodiles.

983
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:47,600
Robert
Oh my goodness.

984
01:10:47,600 --> 01:11:01,000
Nettie & Dave
Bears. Bears. Yeah. Yeah, we we won't do that again. Yeah, that's pretty rough. Yeah, the tents are up. was not worth the amount of room that it took up for how much we ended up using it.

985
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:12,920
Nettie & Dave
Accommodation is kind of so cheap as well. ah but And it helps if you're in a couple because you can kind of split that as well. um But yeah, the tent set up definitely wasn't worth it. There were some other things that we bought with us that we wouldn't bring this time.

986
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:45,060
Nettie & Dave
remember off the top of my head what they are. Not the shower bag. Yeah, yeah, the shower bag. It's like there's showers everywhere. They're cold showers, but... You don't have to bring some of that stuff with you. We overpacked and overprepared and little small things that you'd use, like just just small things. We didn't need to bring a massive pack of um zip ties in case something broke. Like you just go and get one for a penny at the shop if you need a zip tie. It's like we were preparing to be in the middle of nowhere where really you're in towns and there's pharmacies and you can basically buy anything you want.

987
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:50,680
Nettie & Dave
And it's going to be a fraction of a price because you're not in... yeah the west the west so so it's actually better to buy stuff out there instead of instead buy it before you go

988
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:59,620
Robert
Right.

989
01:11:59,620 --> 01:12:06,510
Robert
I'm curious too. ah Like I noticed on your pages that you both recently sent your hardest grades. um

990
01:12:06,510 --> 01:12:06,600
Nettie & Dave
hardest grades in england the uk yeah it was my hardest grade for the first

991
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:14,030
Robert
So in England. Oh, okay. Okay. um Well, that might change. Okay.

992
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:14,120
Ari Grode
and okay

993
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:27,580
Robert
Well, that might change it a little bit, but like um what is, I guess, like what does training look like or how do you guys feel about in terms of progressing like from a strength standpoint and and things like that?

994
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:46,630
Robert
Like obviously you mentioned some places you're just trying to session things that are, workable within like one or two sessions, like maybe you don't have it right away, but like, do you guys have any sort of regimen for figuring out how to train while you're traveling or is it mainly when you're in the UK, you can kind of like have like a access to gyms and stuff again.

995
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:50,970
Robert
do you not worry about it at all? Like, what does that progression look like if there is one?

996
01:12:50,970 --> 01:12:56,200
Nettie & Dave
in an ideal world we uh we've done it in a few places but then you just get out of habit um which is two days climbing and then at the end of a second day you leave a bit of energy just to do some training so like fingerboarding or pull-ups or we've had a trx with us um some antagonist some antagonist stuff and then when and we were in a

997
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:15,360
Robert
Yeah.

998
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,060
Nettie & Dave
Cyprus, they actually had like a gym set up in the house.

999
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:19,100
Robert
Oh,

1000
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:42,120
Nettie & Dave
ah So we'd use their gym weights and yeah just like really, really do a good workout and have like a proper rest day. But yeah, we normally do a lot antagonistic stuff and push ups and stuff just to like keep the body healthy more than anything else. I say training's definitely taken a massive back step though, because before we left for this trip, I was really, really into my training.

1001
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:54,160
Nettie & Dave
And now I definitely don't really do it as much. It's more just climbing. But I think because I've been climbing for a lot less time, um just being out on rock is what's made me progress so much more than any training ever was.

1002
01:13:54,160 --> 01:14:12,400
Nettie & Dave
So I think i when we left, I just climbed two 7B pluses, so 512Cs. And now I've done, i don't know how many of them, but like now I've done three AAs. So five 13 B. And you've onsired seven B plus. Yeah.

1003
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:20,370
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. So my grades like gone up a lot, but that just through climbing, but I'm i'm pretty sure I can't do as many pull-ups as I could. Like when we left.

1004
01:14:20,370 --> 01:14:20,700
Robert
Yeah. I

1005
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:29,900
Nettie & Dave
but my actual climbing's just improved from actually just climbing. So I would say we're both definitely weaker, but we're, we're climbing better, better climbers, but weaker but also our bodies have probably changed more from like a bouldering physique where you're just like, you're a pure muscle.

1006
01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:36,900
Robert
ah

1007
01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:44,420
Nettie & Dave
So like a more lean, like you can just hold on forever. Sport climbing physique. yeah So, so yeah, them two factors.

1008
01:14:44,420 --> 01:14:49,720
Robert
Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, also, if you're if you're spending that much time on rock, like there's no way you're going to get worse at climbing. So like it's just, yeah, it's going to happen.

1009
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:56,370
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, found yeah especially ah we're psyched and we we push our grade. ah every Every day we're doing something hard for us.

1010
01:14:56,370 --> 01:14:58,380
Robert
Yeah,

1011
01:14:58,380 --> 01:15:04,030
Nettie & Dave
We don't like we don't really have mileage days. Yeah, we don't have mileage days. Stupid and we should do that because we get burnt out.

1012
01:15:04,030 --> 01:15:04,070
Robert
yeah.

1013
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:04,690
Nettie & Dave
But but we also get too psyched.

1014
01:15:04,690 --> 01:15:06,050
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

1015
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:08,000
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1016
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,440
Robert
That's awesome.

1017
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:14,410
Ari Grode
Amazing. What

1018
01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:17,770
Ari Grode
what do you think, Rob? I feel like we're getting kind of towards a natural ending point here.

1019
01:15:17,770 --> 01:15:38,280
Robert
Yeah, I like it's pretty good. I mean, i guess one thing that I'm a little curious about is like how how long do you guys think the backpacking side of your your travel or like your better way to say it, like how long do you think like the the budget backpacking side of like the ah climbing adventures will last?

1020
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:53,640
Robert
Like, do you think this is a journey you guys are on for the next five years? Do you think you'll be doing this for 20 years? Do you think like we got one one or two years of like big pushes left on this like kind of 10 quid, 15 quid a day type of budget?

1021
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,210
Robert
Or do you think at some point you'll stop?

1022
01:15:55,210 --> 01:16:01,350
Nettie & Dave
For me, it's... wait Yeah, for me, it's a hard question because of right now we're so psyched that it feels like we could do it forever.

1023
01:16:01,350 --> 01:16:04,190
Robert
Right.

1024
01:16:04,190 --> 01:16:04,250
Nettie & Dave
um But we have spoken to travelers, which are like two, three, four years in, and they're just like, I'm just not psyched anymore. Like, I just want to have a stable base and like, you know, have a proper normal life. um I can see it happening, but I can't see it happening anytime soon, especially the way we do it because of we stay...

1025
01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:25,870
Robert
Sure.

1026
01:16:25,870 --> 01:16:35,910
Nettie & Dave
in one place for so long it kind of feels like a home like if i had a backpack on my back and i was going to hostel to hostel to a hostel i think it burned me out really quickly but because of we're like really settling in a place like making it feel like home and when it either gets too hot our visa expire or it feels like the right time to move on we're moving on then it kind of feels like

1027
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:50,060
Robert
Yeah,

1028
01:16:50,060 --> 01:17:00,600
Nettie & Dave
way nicer you know you can get proper projects and like get proper routine going and you don't just get burnt out like you would if you just had a backpack on your back yeah i think but i think we wouldn't have to like if we started making a bit more money i don't think that we'd start spending loads of money i think it would be like a little more comfortable eventually i'd like to do a van

1029
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:00,730
Ari Grode
Hmm.

1030
01:17:00,730 --> 01:17:14,100
Robert
yeah it sounds like you kind of ah sorry, go ahead. and nadie

1031
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:32,650
Nettie & Dave
and do Europe in a van. And right now we can't do that on this budget, but if we had a bit more money, then we could do that on a low budget as well. So I think the budget travel thing would still happen, but if we made a bit more than just like different avenues and places, like if we wanted to climb in the US, for example, which I'd love to do one day, we can't do that on 10 pound a day.

1032
01:17:32,650 --> 01:17:45,430
Nettie & Dave
So just open up the world to like more places that we get to explore on what is a budget to that area. But yeah, just open up more options basically.

1033
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:56,630
Ari Grode
We'd love to hear if you had like a top three list, maybe both of you could do this, you know, of your favorite spots, just from an overall vibe, maybe, you know, climbing the the location, et cetera.

1034
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:57,260
Nettie & Dave
I think they're going to be probably the same.

1035
01:17:57,260 --> 01:18:03,060
Ari Grode
what What those might be? Well, that'd be cool.

1036
01:18:03,060 --> 01:18:08,770
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, I've. There's definitely different factors to different lists.

1037
01:18:08,770 --> 01:18:09,060
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

1038
01:18:09,060 --> 01:18:16,370
Nettie & Dave
um There's like pure climbing. And there's like the vibe. As well.

1039
01:18:16,370 --> 01:18:17,640
Ari Grode
Okay.

1040
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:32,210
Nettie & Dave
um For me, for just climbing, Geek Berli in Turkey is amazing. It is like just looking at the rock, it's just like ah work of art. It's just so beautiful to look at.

1041
01:18:32,210 --> 01:19:06,140
Nettie & Dave
And like the climbing on it is just awesome it's just like so gymnastic ah it's got everything as well like it's got slab it's got but mainly overhanging gym gymnastic stuff and it's just yeah it's just so fun just so nice you're in the mountains and it's also got such a vibe there because of everyone stays in these little campsites and everyone just like mingles and like chills out proper community vibes So definitely for me, number one is Turkey. Yeah. my I already knew that number one was going to be Turkey. That's also my favorite.

1042
01:19:06,140 --> 01:19:06,310
Nettie & Dave
Just for all of those reasons.

1043
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:07,300
Ari Grode
yeah Okay.

1044
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:19,350
Nettie & Dave
And it's, yeah, it's just very cool. That has to be number one. well Number two, don't know what yours is. What's yours? I don't know now. i feel like i have to think about it again. Maybe I really liked Vietnam.

1045
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:20,980
Nettie & Dave
That was my number two.

1046
01:19:20,980 --> 01:19:21,040
Ari Grode
Oh.

1047
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:32,140
Nettie & Dave
Vietnam was, um there were two places. There was the place where you would have seen Deepwater Solo before. which was very cool, but it's also where i got sick, I'm a bit traumatized from there. That was not my favorite.

1048
01:19:32,140 --> 01:19:42,600
Nettie & Dave
But the other one, Hulang, which is like two hours north of the capital, Hanoi, it's like rice paddy fields and just greenery everywhere you look.

1049
01:19:42,600 --> 01:20:02,810
Nettie & Dave
And you're in literally the middle of nowhere. So there's kids on bikes riding past, like super excited to see you. um Yeah, just the locals. Farmers in Vietnamese hats and the fields working, just like waving at you. Everyone's so happy to see Yeah, just an amazing place. And then the the actual climbing was so good. Just so much fun.

1050
01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:22,590
Nettie & Dave
And they've done a lot actually since we were last there too. And we didn't spend as long there as we did in other places. So... I'm crazy crazy psyched to go back there that's probably the the place that I'm the most excited to revisit when we go back to Asia and as you were saying earlier like it's a local place and you're staying with a family and they got like two two girls and they're just like so happy and it's like a super like you're just basically staying with a wholesome vibes yeah

1051
01:20:22,590 --> 01:20:30,530
Ari Grode
Oh, cool. Hmm.

1052
01:20:30,530 --> 01:20:32,270
Robert
Yeah, that's awesome.

1053
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:50,350
Nettie & Dave
that with like autumn climbing and it's literally like flat land with just like rice paddy fields growing and then these huge car systems just coming like it looked like massive alien spaceships or something had just landed there and you can just climb on them it's just so cool ridiculous

1054
01:20:50,350 --> 01:20:54,040
Robert
Yeah, it almost sounds like you're in like a whole different world at that point, but that sounds really cool.

1055
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:58,100
Nettie & Dave
yeah now things get tricky where's your number three don't know everywhere's good

1056
01:20:58,100 --> 01:21:02,070
Robert
Oh,

1057
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:06,950
Nettie & Dave
china I think mine still has to be Rocklands, you know.

1058
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:07,820
Ari Grode
Okay.

1059
01:21:07,820 --> 01:21:19,070
Nettie & Dave
Rocklands in South Africa. Like, as we said earlier, there's not very much else apart climbing. But I think it's the only place I've been where, like, normally you have rocks, right?

1060
01:21:19,070 --> 01:21:35,990
Nettie & Dave
and you're looking for holds to climb up them. i mean, if there's like holds, you can get to the top and that's awesome. There is the other way around. Most of the rocks have got too many holds and you're looking for ones without the holds to make it like a harder problem to get to the top.

1061
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:36,060
Nettie & Dave
And like all the tops have got like chicken heads and that really nice toppings.

1062
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:40,450
Ari Grode
Oh, interesting.

1063
01:21:40,450 --> 01:21:48,850
Nettie & Dave
And it's just like, yeah, super nice views. Yeah, chicken heads is like, they literally look like chicken head jugs. a handle thing to top out.

1064
01:21:48,850 --> 01:21:50,410
Ari Grode
Yeah.

1065
01:21:50,410 --> 01:21:53,320
Nettie & Dave
I explain this cup like that. It looks like that. You just hold this big chicken head.

1066
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:53,830
Ari Grode
Yeah.

1067
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:55,200
Nettie & Dave
looks like a chicken head.

1068
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,000
Robert
yeah

1069
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:09,710
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. And yeah, the climbing there is just super fun. It was very cool. And it feels like you're just you're out there, you know? There's just like baboons around you and gazelle and gezalan yeah, super cool.

1070
01:22:09,710 --> 01:22:09,970
Ari Grode
Sweet.

1071
01:22:09,970 --> 01:22:11,630
Nettie & Dave
I'll pick Kalimnos.

1072
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:11,900
Ari Grode
Kalimnos.

1073
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:14,970
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Yeah. You know about Kalimnos, right?

1074
01:22:14,970 --> 01:22:14,990
Robert
Yeah.

1075
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:16,130
Ari Grode
Sure. Yeah, for sure. I would say Rocklands and Kalimnos are certainly probably the the areas we would know the most about, you know, just, or maybe Tonsai, uh,

1076
01:22:16,130 --> 01:22:20,810
Nettie & Dave
Like... Yeah, yeah.

1077
01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:20,870
Nettie & Dave
yeah until we'd been to turkey kalimnas was like my favorite i don't think anything could ever top it but turkey managed to but kalimnas is still very close second and it's it's weird because it's not it's the complete opposite vibe of turkey because it's not really a community you would go with your group of friends and you might not talk to anyone else so it's kind of it's a bit sad in that way and like you the um

1078
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:21,360
Robert
Yeah.

1079
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:40,620
Robert
Yeah.

1080
01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:45,500
Ari Grode
Hmm.

1081
01:22:45,500 --> 01:23:07,490
Nettie & Dave
apartments and stuff they never have any kitchens in them so everybody's kind of forced to go out to the restaurants it's extremely touristy but like just the climbing side of it is a bit that i love so much it's just the most insane climbing ever there's so much of it only place i can think of where you got like a ah five a like super easy climb next to like 9a And everything in between.

1082
01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:08,130
Robert
Yeah.

1083
01:23:08,130 --> 01:23:17,140
Nettie & Dave
So like whoever you're climbing with, you can climb with them like two routes away, even if they're like a complete beginner or someone who's like a pro, you know?

1084
01:23:17,140 --> 01:23:17,330
Robert
With an absolutely outrageous backdrop as well.

1085
01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:20,220
Nettie & Dave
That's crazy to me.

1086
01:23:20,220 --> 01:23:20,800
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1087
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,190
Ari Grode
Yeah. yeah

1088
01:23:22,190 --> 01:23:27,000
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. One of my favourite photos of me ever is exactly that backdrop and I'm just like falling and it's like a silhouette.

1089
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,720
Robert
Yeah.

1090
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:34,410
Nettie & Dave
Some guy just took it from the back of the cave. He was like, I took some pictures. Do you want them? He sent it to me. I was like, what is it? It's like the best picture ever seen in my favour.

1091
01:23:34,410 --> 01:23:35,700
Robert
yeah

1092
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:36,150
Nettie & Dave
This was years ago.

1093
01:23:36,150 --> 01:23:37,310
Robert
Just really undersold it.

1094
01:23:37,310 --> 01:23:39,550
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. It's

1095
01:23:39,550 --> 01:23:43,100
Robert
Yeah. I just snapped a few. If you, if you want to look at them. Yeah.

1096
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:44,820
Nettie & Dave
and it's like my favorite picture ever and this was 2018 or something.

1097
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:46,930
Robert
Yeah.

1098
01:23:46,930 --> 01:23:52,270
Nettie & Dave
I had no business being on that route either. but it was yeah Hence you're falling off of it. yeah yeah

1099
01:23:52,270 --> 01:23:53,080
Robert
There you go.

1100
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:53,490
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1101
01:23:53,490 --> 01:23:54,520
Robert
That's perfect.

1102
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:54,830
Nettie & Dave
So good.

1103
01:23:54,830 --> 01:24:04,380
Ari Grode
Oh, amazing. You guys have gotten me psyched to to check out some areas already had on the list, but some certainly some areas that were I knew nothing about. so that's amazing.

1104
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:04,440
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1105
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:06,580
Robert
Yeah, Turkey sounds pretty epic.

1106
01:24:06,580 --> 01:24:07,100
Robert
I'm very curious about that one.

1107
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:08,880
Nettie & Dave
Go to Turkey. It is so good.

1108
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,020
Robert
yeah What was the name of that specific area again?

1109
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:14,060
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, pretty great. It's right. It's Antalya City.

1110
01:24:14,060 --> 01:24:14,340
Robert
Okay.

1111
01:24:14,340 --> 01:24:16,220
Nettie & Dave
We don't know how to pronounce it. I feel like everywhere else we can now, except for Lao maybe, but it's like, but the place in Turkey, it's like, it's spelt like Gayik Bayeri, but that's not how you say it.

1112
01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:20,160
Robert
Sure.

1113
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:27,510
Robert
yeah

1114
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:27,760
Nettie & Dave
And we've had people say it to us over and over.

1115
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,630
Robert
Okay.

1116
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:31,550
Nettie & Dave
And I just call it Gayik because I can't pronounce it.

1117
01:24:31,550 --> 01:24:33,560
Robert
Fair, fair, fair. Yeah, well we'll have all of this in the show notes for sure.

1118
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:33,660
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1119
01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:35,590
Ari Grode
Yeah, I might have you sent us an email with the spellings because some of these I don't even know how to start.

1120
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:35,890
Robert
We might we might have to research a bit, but yeah.

1121
01:24:35,890 --> 01:24:38,700
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Yeah.

1122
01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:41,440
Robert
but Yeah. Nice.

1123
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:41,520
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1124
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,360
Robert
Okay.

1125
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,330
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, I'm super psyched this time when we go back to Asia as well, because we've been invited to some places that they want to publicize ah because of they've been bolting and they've been making them.

1126
01:24:46,330 --> 01:24:51,540
Robert
ah

1127
01:24:51,540 --> 01:24:54,320
Robert
nice

1128
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,320
Robert
yeah

1129
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:26,120
Nettie & Dave
ah We're going to this one place in... ah ah quala near Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia and he just wants us to boat there and it's it seems super fun and then where's the other one in Thailand Thailand Khon Ken I think it's called that's like up and coming climbing they got bouldering they got sport they got I think they have everything there they're really psyched on that um yeah they invited us there at the end of the last trip yeah so that will have a lot more stuff there too.

1130
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:40,100
Nettie & Dave
and It used to be just a bouldering area, um but they have been bolting like crazy there apparently. And like no one knows about it yet. And they're saying it's better than anywhere else in Southeast Asia.

1131
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:41,380
Nettie & Dave
So let's see.

1132
01:25:41,380 --> 01:25:41,710
Robert
Nice. You're going to get tested out.

1133
01:25:41,710 --> 01:25:42,620
Ari Grode
Wow, okay.

1134
01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:56,190
Nettie & Dave
I'm really excited to see it. And they really want us to publicize it as well. So it's super nice. to like We go to some places, especially like Kalimnos, And people get arsey that we're posting about it because they don't want it to get busy, even though Kalimnos is the busiest place in the world.

1135
01:25:56,190 --> 01:26:00,290
Robert
Sure. Yeah.

1136
01:26:00,290 --> 01:26:03,050
Nettie & Dave
No one ever says it when you go to a quiet place. They're like, yeah, thanks for sharing it.

1137
01:26:03,050 --> 01:26:04,810
Robert
yeah

1138
01:26:04,810 --> 01:26:13,160
Nettie & Dave
But when you go to somewhere which is already busy, like Kalimnos or Tonsai, they're like, you're going to make this place polished. I'm like, it's it's already polished. What are you talking about?

1139
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:14,320
Robert
yeah

1140
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:14,520
Nettie & Dave
If our influence is that big, we should be getting paid to advertise these places.

1141
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,280
Ari Grode
and

1142
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:18,480
Nettie & Dave
We wouldn't be doing it on this much of a budget.

1143
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:20,750
Robert
Yeah. yeah

1144
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:22,570
Nettie & Dave
But yeah.

1145
01:26:22,570 --> 01:26:27,480
Ari Grode
So where can people ah go to you know follow along? Okay.

1146
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:32,600
Nettie & Dave
We have Instagram. Instagram's like the main one, but we have just started to try YouTube.

1147
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:32,660
Robert
Okay.

1148
01:26:32,660 --> 01:26:32,700
Nettie & Dave
So hopefully that will pick up.

1149
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:35,760
Ari Grode
yeah Okay.

1150
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:46,000
Nettie & Dave
We've done like... We've done two proper videos. Proper sample videos, like trying to like work out the equipment and how to do it here. And then hopefully we just progress as we go.

1151
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:46,070
Robert
Yeah.

1152
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:46,380
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, the plan is weekly vlogs once once we set off for Asia because Instagram's great, but we don't really get to share so much stuff because it just wants 30-second clips where with YouTube we can actually...

1153
01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:49,610
Ari Grode
Okay.

1154
01:26:49,610 --> 01:26:56,600
Robert
Oh, Yeah.

1155
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,810
Robert
yeah

1156
01:26:58,810 --> 01:27:11,080
Nettie & Dave
introduce the locals and things that you just people won't watch that on instagram because it just scrolls so fast but yeah on youtube i feel like we can show a lot more like the questions people have can be shown yeah it's gonna be really interesting

1157
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,490
Robert
Yeah. A bit more behind the scenes as well too. You know, like when you're throw throwing buckets down the toilet after, after hurling, you know, you can, yeah.

1158
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:20,200
Nettie & Dave
yeah a lot more behind the scenes oh yeah i'll be filming that for sure

1159
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,180
Robert
Yeah. But I mean, the nice thing about that too, is you already have like all of the shorts, like you have all the Instagram reels that you can use for YouTube shorts already.

1160
01:27:22,180 --> 01:27:23,680
Ari Grode
Okay.

1161
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,510
Nettie & Dave
right

1162
01:27:28,510 --> 01:27:28,910
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1163
01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:30,450
Robert
So you can kind of bolster that up too, which is nice.

1164
01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:33,990
Nettie & Dave
That and TikTok is all that I can reuse most of that.

1165
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:34,800
Robert
Yeah.

1166
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:35,100
Nettie & Dave
We hadn't done YouTube yet.

1167
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:37,060
Robert
TikTok's a wild one, huh? Yeah.

1168
01:27:37,060 --> 01:27:41,470
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, yeah. I don't really even use it. I just feel like we should put it on the platforms to get it out there.

1169
01:27:41,470 --> 01:27:42,730
Robert
Yeah. Yeah.

1170
01:27:42,730 --> 01:27:45,690
Nettie & Dave
But YouTube's the one that we're the most excited about now because you can just show a lot more of what we're doing.

1171
01:27:45,690 --> 01:27:45,980
Robert
Nice.

1172
01:27:45,980 --> 01:27:48,290
Ari Grode
okay

1173
01:27:48,290 --> 01:27:48,590
Nettie & Dave
But also it's so hard.

1174
01:27:48,590 --> 01:27:53,070
Robert
And will it, will it be the same? Is it the same handle I should say, or is there.

1175
01:27:53,070 --> 01:27:57,680
Nettie & Dave
Climbing underscore backpackers. I think it's not got the underscore. It's just climbing backpackers.

1176
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:57,790
Robert
Okay.

1177
01:27:57,790 --> 01:27:57,900
Nettie & Dave
um But yeah, it's it's the same.

1178
01:27:57,900 --> 01:27:57,920
Ari Grode
okay yeah

1179
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,760
Robert
Well, we'll, we'll double check and put it all in the show notes for sure.

1180
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:01,680
Nettie & Dave
Nice.

1181
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:02,400
Robert
Yeah.

1182
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:02,920
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1183
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:03,570
Robert
Yeah.

1184
01:28:03,570 --> 01:28:03,900
Nettie & Dave
But yeah, YouTube's hard work.

1185
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:05,250
Robert
um Amazing.

1186
01:28:05,250 --> 01:28:06,100
Nettie & Dave
wella we're We're working it, but yeah, it's taking so taken some time Getting used to.

1187
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:11,280
Robert
Yeah. Yeah.

1188
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:11,390
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1189
01:28:11,390 --> 01:28:13,830
Robert
Yeah, I think it's just all about getting that rhythm and then and you guys have it going.

1190
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:16,260
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. yeah It'll happen.

1191
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:16,850
Ari Grode
yeah it's like to follow along

1192
01:28:16,850 --> 01:28:19,100
Robert
Yeah, yeah.

1193
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:20,470
Nettie & Dave
Yeah. Cheers. Like and subscribe.

1194
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:40,300
Robert
Yeah. Nice. Smash that like button. There we go. Awesome. Well, guys, this was ah incredible. I mean, we this is so much fun. like Like Ari said, I think we both have the itch here. I'm actually flying out to Italy soon, so I'll do some vacation climbing in the Dolomite soon. So I'm pretty pretty stoked on that. but

1195
01:28:40,300 --> 01:28:42,170
Nettie & Dave
We haven't been yet. We really want to go. Yeah.

1196
01:28:42,170 --> 01:28:45,200
Robert
It's cool. There's definitely some choss piles there, but there's some, there's some good stuff there for sure.

1197
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:46,820
Nettie & Dave
That's

1198
01:28:46,820 --> 01:28:56,520
Robert
For sure. Uh, but yeah, it's, uh, I don't know. I'm frothing now this, this, some of those little destinations you guys called out. I'm, I'm pretty, pretty high on my list now. So this is, this gonna be fun.

1199
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,990
Nettie & Dave
Yeah, definitely got to check some of them out.

1200
01:28:58,990 --> 01:28:59,040
Robert
Yeah.

1201
01:28:59,040 --> 01:28:59,380
Nettie & Dave
Yeah.

1202
01:28:59,380 --> 01:29:01,130
Robert
Yeah. Um,

1203
01:29:01,130 --> 01:29:04,120
Ari Grode
Amazing.

1204
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:04,420
Robert
we'll kill it here.

1205
01:29:04,420 --> 01:29:04,540
Nettie & Dave
Nice.

1206
01:29:04,540 --> 01:29:06,210
Ari Grode
All right. I'm going to kill the recording here.

1207
01:29:06,210 --> 01:29:06,330
Robert
Nah, he's killing it.

1208
01:29:06,330 --> 01:29:07,630
Nettie & Dave
it

1209
01:29:07,630 --> 01:29:08,630
Robert
Yeah. Yeah.